Over the weekend, Greg and I presented at the New York Travel & Adventure Show in New York City. Living in the middle of nowhere about 3 hours from Manhattan, I usually drive to the city, but this time I decided to drive a shorter distance to Albany, NY and take Amtrak to New York City. That turned 3hrs of travel time into a little over 3.5hrs, but it also meant 2.5hrs of time to get work done since I didn’t need to be driving. When I was booking my ticket, Greg asked me if I was using points. I responded that I was earning points (in other words, I didn’t have any Amtrak points, so I was paying cash). He later reminded me that I sure did have Amtrak points because JetBlue points transfer to Amtrak. Doh! I have a pile of JetBlue points collecting dust and this would have been a great use of some of them.
Greg long ago wrote about the conversion from JetBlue to Amtrak (after Benjy did at Miles to Memories). I read that post and I distinctly remember thinking that’s a nugget of wisdom to file away for a rainy day. Rain was in the forecast over the weekend, but I guess I forgot my TrueBlue umbrella.
My decision to book Amtrak was a last-minute one. I booked two or three hours before getting on the train and I wanted to sit in business class. Amtrak business class isn’t anything spectacular, and this was a short trip, but as I’ve mostly been living my life isolated in the mountains of upstate New York, I was fine with paying a small premium to keep a little extra space. I was pretty happy when I scored a single seat on the left side of the 1-2 seating configuration.
Since I was booking at the last minute, prices weren’t very cheap. I didn’t take screen shots of the trains I booked, so for this post example, I pulled up Amtrak and recreated the same prices for the same trip departing tomorrow and coming back in a few days. This is exactly what I paid: $193 round trip (the outbound was $107 and return was $86).
Like I said, it wasn’t cheap, but I was willing to pay the price to have a mobile office in both directions rather than being stuck at the wheel not getting anything done.
However, it wasn’t until dinner on Saturday night that Greg reminded me how silly I was for paying cash for my ticket. I have long known that Amtrak points are valuable. I used some Amtrak points to ride the Pacific Surfliner along the California coast a couple of years ago and it was very enjoyable.
However, I only had a few hundred Amtrak points in my account on Friday when I went to book this trip to New York City, so I hadn’t even looked up the cost in terms of points. Dates this week with cash prices that were exactly the same as what I paid ($107 on the way out and $86 on the way back) show that it would have cost about 6,850 points round trip.
That’s a value of just over 2.8c per point, which is a little shy of the 2.9c per point figure that we have historically quoted for Amtrak points, but that’s still obviously a great point value (and one that long made their credit card valuable for frequent rail riders, though they no longer have a card available for new applicants).
When I told Greg that I didn’t have any Amtrak points, he reminded me that I could have transferred from JetBlue. JetBlue TrueBlue points transfer to Amtrak 2:1, which means that I would have needed to transfer about 13,700 JetBlue points to Amtrak to get the 6,850 needed for this trip. Trading 13.7K JetBlue points for my $193 ticket wouldn’t have been a bad trade at all, yielding about 1.41c per TrueBlue point. That’s about the same as what one would expect when redeeming for JetBlue flights.
In my case, I am sitting on a pile of JetBlue points thanks in no small part to a couple of Lowe’s Visa Gift Card sales last year. JetBlue’s shopping portal features a card-linked offer for Lowe’s where you can earn 3 miles per dollar spent at Lowe’s. Even apart from that deal, I’ve been sitting on part of my pile of TrueBlue points for years. I don’t think I have flown JetBlue in about 8 years. I like JetBlue, they just never align with my plans.
And so I would have been thrilled to have moved 13.7K JetBlue points to Amtrak — if only my memory had served me better and I had kept Greg’s nugget of wisdom closer to the top of mind. Moving forward, I certainly will keep that top of mind. I also realized that I have several family members who shop at Lowe’s pretty often and would probably be happy to link up their cards and earn some JetBlue and/or Amtrak points, so I’ll have to pass that tip around.
It’s worth mentioning that even if I didn’t have JetBlue points on hand, I could have transferred 1:1 from many different transferable currencies to JetBlue, getting the same net result of about 1.4c per point, which certainly isn’t bad.
Greg pointed out a key side benefit of the JetBlue-to-Amtrak conversion: it keeps your Amtrak points alive, pushing out the expiration date of your Amtrak points upon transfer. That wouldn’t have mattered much for me here since I was earning points on my paid ticket anyway, but I’ll have to set a phone reminder to make a transfer when expiration is nearing.
How to transfer points
Transferring points from JetBlue to Amtrak is really easy. Just start at Points.com and create an account or sign in. You’ll be prompted to create your Points Loyalty wallet by choosing your programs.
I only added JetBlue and Amtrak since those were all I needed for this exchange (and I don’t anticipate doing exchanges with other programs because they are usually of very poor value). Note that when you click “View all programs”, you have to scroll to the bottom of the list to find Amtrak.
You simply add your name and loyalty number in each account and Points.com links up the account balances and shows them in your loyalty wallet.
Clicking on either program brings you to a page with a tab to “exchange”.
From there it was just a matter of choosing how many points to transfer. Points.com lets you transfer in increments of 100 points (with a 1,000 point minimum), so I could have transferred almost exactly what I needed to book my trip, orphaning as few points as possible at Amtrak.
The process was very simple, but not instant. Greg reported that points moved reasonably fast, though I made a token transfer of 1,000 JetBlue points to 500 Amtrak points for the purposes of this post, and as of the moment of publication they haven’t yet transferred over, so it wouldn’t have been fast enough for me to have booked my last-minute trip. Points.com says it can take up to 5 days.
It’s worth mentioning that Points.com also says you can exchange of a maximum total of 50,000 JetBlue TrueBlue points per year in aggregate, so this isn’t an unlimited path to Amtrak points.
The funny thing about all of this is that we were speaking a the New York Travel & Adventure Show about the best awards bookable today and I drove home a point about unlocking value via partner awards. In hindsight, a slide about transferring JetBlue to Amtrak to get solid value for train travel probably would have been useful for some of the members in the audience even if not the most valuable of the awards we discussed. There are so many partnerships to keep in mind in this hobby that we all forget one now and then. I definitely wish I’d have remembered this one, but I am also excited to rediscover it. I previously viewed my JetBlue balance as points that will “maybe be useful someday”, but now I’m ready to dive full steam ahead into a family trip by train, unlocking good value from points that were otherwise unused.
Any way to still transfer Jet Blue points to Amtrak now that the points wallet is no longer?
Please note that the Points Loyalty Wallet is being retired on September 6, 2022. (on the website)
Is this exchange still available? I don’t see JetBlue on points.com but I don’t see anything on Twitter/Google saying it shouldn’t be anymore. Just thought about this this morning for a trip tomorrow. Its cheap, but would be nice to know for the future.
In about 6+ weeks we plan a driving tour of Yellowstone and Glacier then hit Davenport for the nice Marriott and then on to Seattle for a couple of days at the Regency Hyatt, then Amtrak from there to Chicago. We have one of the rooms that spans across the back width of the train. If you can pick up a room like this then travel can be quite nice and relaxing. Food comes with it, but not like food in business class on planes, but decent. Just a different way to travel and views. The roomettes are OK, but not for a big boy like me
This is invaluable info to me. I travel Amtrak’s western routes occasionally & have Jetblue points just idling away, so def will transfer. Thx!
If you book this 2 weeks out, business class is only about $85.
Also, on longer lines that are not Albany to New York, business class is a tad bit nicer. Try taking the Acela to DC.
I looked into this recently and couldn’t see the cost in points because I didn’t have any yet. Is there a way to see the points price before transferring? Or are the points a fixed value to the cash price?
For the train? Just toggle on the “points” switch on the home page when searching (or in the top right on the search results page). You don’t even have to be logged in to search for the price using points. I didn’t have enough points in my account to book, but I took the screen shots of the points prices that you see in this post.
Thanks for the response. I guess you can’t change it midstream maybe, which is why I didn’t see it before. For a roundtrip, you can see the points for the first leg but when you add to cart it forces a sign in. Regardless, this helps, thanks
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TECH SHOOTS YOU
amtrak prices change based on when you buy. if you buy 7+ days ahead they’re the cheapest ($36 Albany to NYC) 6-4 days out it’s mid ($45 Albany to NYC) and 3 or less days it’s most expensive ($62 Albany to NYC). Business class is not worth it, the seats are the exact same size, also I’ve never sat next to someone on that route and I ride it twice a week. Only benefit to business class is that it’s smaller so there are less people and it’s right next to the cafe.
Amtrak site said the first train was 100% full when I went to book (1 seat left in both coach and business on ALB->NYP) and 90% for the return, so I didn’t think I could count on an empty seat next to me in coach. I thought the biz class seats had more legroom than I recalled in coach? (I guess that’s why there are fewer seats?). I totally agree that it’s not worth a huge premium, but I was willing to pay a small amount more. I certainly wouldn’t argue with you for finding that wasteful on such a short route though.
Can you transfer any other points to Amtrak?
Hmm I wonder if the JB credit card 10% points rebate works with this…
Great point about the amount of partnerships to keep track of in this game.
I find it equally difficult to keep track of all the airlines that maintain partnerships outside of the big alliances. While some are kept front and center (think VS & ANA) others ( with less consistent or estrnomical value) are often forgotten.
I think it would be a helpful addition to the resource page to have a page of all those partnerships.
Hey Nick, if you didn’t have enough JetBlue points for your family trip you could transfer Citi Thank You Points into JetBlue as well.
This is good to know, thank you! Do you happen to have an idea or article for Alaska Air conversions?
Yes, Amtrak points expire in 24 months with no activity, which I just got an e-mail from them as a 90-day/3 month warning…… Nice of them. 🙂 So this post is very timely and good information! Thanks guys.
I didn’t think Amtrak points expired. Not a problem for me since I use the credit card to add some and reset any timeline but thought I read there was no expiration
While we’re on the subject of Amtrak…. for those of us with BofA Amtrak cards, check your email from last week (3/15) for a 5X spending bonus for up to 4,000 pts ($800) You have to register by 3/31. The bonus period is 3/15 – 4/30. Since it is a Mastercard, I added it to my AA Simply Miles account.
I looked back at my emails from Point.com to see how long the transfer took and it was exactly 5 hours, so yes, it was too slow for your purposes. I’ll be interested to see if your transfer also completes in 5 hours.
9:02am: “Your Exchange is processing”
2:02pm: “Your Exchange is complete!”
I recently converted 1,000 JetBlue points into 500 Amtrak points, and here are the time stamps for my emails:
7:36am: “Your Exchange is processing”
2:51am (next day): “Your Exchange is complete”
My transfer was around 19 hours.
Decently more than five hours and no second email, so not a tool for a last minute booking.
Did they finally transfer?