Marriott to drop award chart, add free night “top off”, extend free nights / status

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Marriott has made some major updates this morning regarding extensions to elite status and free night certificates along with major changes to the program (including the elimination of the award chart next spring). There are a number of positives in today’s announcement, though it is hard to ignore the (likely) negative long-term impact of the elimination of award charts.

Elite status extension

Good news for everyone with current Marriott elite status: your 2021 status (whether based on 2020 activity or 2019 activity that led to a 2020 extension) will be extended through February 2023. That’s obviously great for those whose travel has not recovered to pre-pandemic levels (which is likely the vast majority of business travelers).

A small oddity here is that this news will actually disincentivize me from further Marriott stays this year since I won’t need further stays to re-qualify for Titanium status. I had planned to use expiring free night certificates before the end of this year and possibly book a mattress run in order to get to 75 nights. However, that won’t be necessary since my status will be extended — and free night certificates will also be extended.

Free night certificate extensions

Speaking of free night certificates, those set to expire between January 3, 2022, and June 29, 2022 (whether certificates from annual cobrand credit card benefits, annual choice benefit, or promotions) will be extended to be redeemable through June 30, 2022. That’s great news for those of us sitting on soon-to-expire certificates.

This announcement is a win for me as I have a 50K certificate that had previously been extended to January 3, 2022 and one that had naturally been set to expire later in January (my annual Ritz 50K certificate). I should also get an additional new 50K certificate (as part of my annual Ritz card benefit) before the end of January. Using those for a 3-night stay will be pretty appealing.

My wife is in a sort of similar situation in that she has a couple of 35K free night certificates set to expire in January and she’ll be getting a couple more in the next month or two — though in her case she is currently at Gold and is just 6 nights away from Platinum, so she may end up using her certificates this year to get her closer to status. That might be a good deal since the new 35K certificates she gets next year might make for a good back-to-back reservation with my 50K certificates thanks to the newfound ability to combine certificates with points.

New: Free Night Award Top Off. Combine Free Night Award certificates with up to 15K points.

One of the most common points of frustration we hear from Marriott Bonvoy members with free night certificates is that they can not combine their certificate with points to stay at a property that is priced just beyond the value of their certificate. For example, Marriott Category 5 properties cost 35K for a “standard” award and could theoretically be booked with the 35K annual free night certificate that comes with a couple of Marriott credit cards. However, when those Category 5 properties are priced at the “peak” rate of 40K points per night, a 35K certificate has been useless. Thankfully, that is changing.

Marriott has announced that beginning in early 2022, members will be able to combine a free night award with up to 15K points from their accounts. This means that, for example, a 35K free night certificate that comes from a credit card benefit could be combined with 15K points to book a property that costs 50K points. That is huge news and it could make free night certificates much more valuable for many members.

With my situation as an example, if I found a desirable property costing 50K points per night, I could use my 50K free night certificates and my wife could combine her 35K certificates with 15K points per night to book an extended stay. That could be awesome. At the very least, free night certificates will become less frustrating to use.

At least, they will be less frustrating until Marriott eliminates its award chart.

Award chart to be eliminated

Say goodbye — the Marriott Bonvoy Award Chart is going away.

The big punch in the gut from this morning’s announcement is that Marriott will be eliminating its award chart in March 2022. Marriott is billing this as “Flexible Point Redemption Rates” and says that “rates will more closely resemble hotel rates and give members more flexibility and options to explore our portfolio when redeeming points for stays.” They tout that more price points means that members will have “more options when they are looking for the best redemption value”.

Obviously Marriott is going to try to spin this as a positive, but I can’t really buy the “more flexibility” explanation. Consider:

  1. Marriott indicates that they think more price points will give members more options when looking for the best value, but keep in mind that Marriott currently has up to nine different prices for a standard room:
    1. Off-peak PointSavers
    2. Standard PointSavers
    3. Peak PointSavers
    4. Off-peak
    5. Standard
    6. Peak
    7. Off-peak cash and points
    8. Standard cash and points
    9. Peak cash and points
  2. Beyond the multitude of price points for a standard room, there are currently room upgrade options at many hotels that vary in terms of the number of points or amount of cash required for various upgraded room types (in short: even more price points).
  3. With PointSavers rates already readily available for hotels that want to incentivize redemption with lower point rates at off-peak times, it would seem that the main purpose of eliminating the award chart would be to allow hotels to charge more than they currently do whether off-peak, standard, or peak.

Marriott goes on to say that they “expect redemption rates for nearly all hotels – more than 97% – will continue to range between their current off-peak and peak redemption rates for stays throughout 2022” but of crucial importance “For stays beyond 2022, we will adjust rates based more closely on hotel rates“. Translation? “We’re about to go full Hilton on you, so smoke ’em if you got ’em.”

We asked Marriott whether or not rooms will continue to price between 5K points per night and 100K points per night moving beyond 2022. They told us: “For stays in 2023, members can expect to see rates that will be both above and below a hotel’s 2022 range”. Currently, the award chart tops out at 100K peak for Category 8 properties, but this response indicates to me that beyond 2022, we likely will not see a 100K cap on standard awards.

Obviously dynamic pricing will mean that there will be some opportunity to stay in nicer-than-normal hotels for fewer points and/or with free night certificates (and the ability to add points to them) during low-demand periods. That will be exciting for those who just want to stay at a high-end property and don’t care very much about redemption value. On the other hand, it will likely severely limit the chance to get far outsized value from free night certificates.

That said, there is a chance that we will see an opportunity for outsized value for a brief window of time. It sounds like the ability to top off a free night certificate with points is slated to debut in “early 2022”. Assuming that happens before the award chart is eliminated in March 2022, there will be a window where 35K certs could be used to book peak Category 5 or standard Category 6 rooms by adding points. The 85K cert that is part of the temporary welcome bonus on the Bonvoy Brilliant card could be topped off to book a peak Category 8 property at peak pricing. That could be a fantastic deal in the short term.

Assuming that redemption rates do eventually predictably track room rates, it’ll be interesting to see where the value for free night certificates lands. I imagine it will become easier to predict exactly how much value you can expect for a 35K or 50K free night certificate. That will be somewhat positive since it will be easier to count on full value but very negative for those of us who look forward to getting massively outsized value out of certificates.

It will be most interesting to see what happens with the new pricing model. If most hotels still cap out around 100K points per night, it means that 85K free night certificates will become even more valuable since they will be usable (when combined with 15K points) even at hotels that are “peak” priced. If those certificates become a regular feature on the Brilliant card, that could be very valuable (note: they are not a regular feature now, this is just wishful thinking).

Again, at the very least, the window between whenever in early 2022 the certificate + points option becomes possible and the abolition of the award chart in March will be the window of opportunity. Those new 85K certificates could potentially get you a room at the top end of the chart for at least a little while. Keep in mind though that we don’t yet have a precise timeline for when to expect that feature to debut, so it is possible that the award chart will be eliminated before free night award top off is enabled. We just don’t yet know.

What about Travel Packages?

While interest in Marriott’s Travel Packages has understandably waned considerably given the pricing model post-merger, the key positive on travel packages has been that they can be used even when a property in the associated category level is peak-priced. With the elimination of award charts, I was curious how existing travel package certificates would be handled.

Unfortunately, Marriott wasn’t able to provide any clarification on that at this time. When inquiring about Travel Packages, we were told “We will be communicating additional details to members as they become available, and we get closer to March 2022.” Given the way Travel Packages were handled during the merger, I wouldn’t recommend redeeming for one unless you have a near-term plan to book the hotel portion.

Bottom line

There are quite a few positives coming in 2022 from Marriott, including the extension of elite status (through February 2023) and free night certificates (through June 30, 2022) and the ability to “top off” a free night certificate with up to 15K additional points from your account to book a higher-level hotel. Unfortunately, the coming elimination of the Marriott Bonvoy award chart in March 2022 will likely mean that opportunities for outsized value from free night certificates or Marriott Bonvoy points will be extremely limited if not nonexistent. It will make sense to take advantage of those opportunities for outsized value while the chart still exists since bookings made before the chart disappears in March 2022 will be honored at the rate at which you book them.

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Brands

With travel booming now, I have heard Marriott is not willing to extend these certs anymore. Is this pretty firm at this point, that we will lose our certs if we do not use them by June 30?

Will

All the Cat 5’s I’m looking at in Europe have bumped up their points to 65k or higher. FNA is again useless.

Andrew

I’m in the process of booking hotels for a 15 night stay in Singapore over Christmas and had a handful of certs set to expire January 2nd 2022 (50k and 35k) but just double checked my account and they ALL show an extended expiration to June 30th 2022. That’s crazy as several of them were deposited in 2019 with an original expiry of 2020 and had already been extended a few times.

Sophia

I have a couple of Jan 3 certificates, trying to book Jan 3 to Jan 5. Shall I book now or shall I book after the extension is made? My worry is if I attach the certificate, the certificate may not be extended, by the time of my check-in, will the hotel reject my certificate and ask me to pay in full? Thanks.

Sophia

an update, I was able to attach two Jan 3rd certificates on Marriott website to the booking Jan 3 to 5. Will there be a problem?

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Josh

Question for you guys,
with the ability to top off FN certs, would it make more sense to use my points to book a stay now and save my 2x 50k FN certs for 2022 or use the FN certs now to keep points (since points is more flexible?)

Frank

Any idea when we will be able to book a free night cert or a 7-night package for next year? Can we call and get it done now, for say May 2022 when my certs say they expire on 1/3/2022?

Beth B

I just tried to do this, and the first representative I got, would not book a March stay with my 1/3/22 expiring cert. I will probably try to call back again later on today.

Mas

Was about to sign P2 up for the Biz card but now worried about the dynamic pricing. Site currently has this at $1176 value but that has to have dropped. We don’t know to what at this time. I have 120k points and got those a couple years ago really to just transfer to Alaska. Who know what will happen with that program. Options if the card is still worth picking up? I have no planned trips but maybe something in the spring.

Greg The Frequent Miler

Asiana is another transfer partner worth considering.
Our first year value estimates are based on our Reasonable Redemption Values (RRVs) and those are conservatively based on the median expected value from your points, assuming you’re not even trying to maximize value. So, our current estimates already aren’t swayed by the super high value awards that will go away with dynamic pricing. In other words, I don’t have any reason to expect that our Marriott RRV will go down.

coleccionables

Thanks for the article, what if the (platinum) status for 2021 was received as part of a SUB? https://www.doctorofcredit.com/marriott-bonvoy-american-express-business-100000-points-150-advertising-credit-platinum-elite-status/

Michael S

Interesting…I am at 35 nights right now for this year and was debating pulling the trigger on the Amex Bonvoy Brilliant to get the last 15 nights and qualify for platinum while earning that 150k bonus and the 2 free 85k and 50k night certificates. The platinum status would now stay in effect through Feb 2023. Worth it or just forget Marriott at this point?

VIS

Any time frame when we will see the actual updated expiration date on certificates expiring Jan. 3rd ?

rct12345

Their email said December

Ppl must be dumb

Since Hilton and IHG went to dynamic pricing I’ve canceled both their cards even my legacy ihg card. There goes RC.
With dynamic pricing I have never spent another Hilton or ihg point and without dynamic pricing I rarely find a good Marriott redemption except before a category increase. Expect to see a lot more 52K Rooms too just like Hilton.
They must really think ppl are stupid! who would give up 2% cash back for these worthless deflating points? And anxiety causing complicated programs?
Oh and try to get a decent bft from Marriott as Plat or Titanium or Hilton gold. I’d rather get 2% cash back from food I actually want to eat. Good luck on a upgrade suite even now when the hotels are empty.
What’s the end game with dynamic pricing?
Are ppl really that stupid?

Oliver

I was considering staying 10 nights and picking up the Marriott Business Card. I would qualify for Platinum. This makes my life simpler. Use my FNCs and 7 night package next year and book no Marriott stays in 2020. I will probably cancel my 2 existing Marriott cards next year

Nun

One nice feature of awards is the tax goes to $0. It’s especially good in some cities where the tax is very high. If they start dynamically pricing awards, I hope they can still base it on the room rate so I’m not paying a tax in points.

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Clinton Yang

Just when I was about to apply for the Chase Marriott Boundless card. Maybe I should hold off…

Jordan

Great content as always. Really loved this line: For stays beyond 2022, we will adjust rates based more closely on hotel rates“. Translation? “We’re about to go full Hilton on you, so smoke ’em if you got ’em.”

ktc

with their reputation & behaviors i know any positive is just a dangling carrot leading to more uphill climb. this effectively is a little sweets before poisons

Alex Z

“Speaking of free night certificates, those set to expire between January 3, 2022, and June 29, 2022 (whether certificates from annual cobrand credit card benefits, annual choice benefit, or promotions) will be extended to be redeemable through June 30, 2022″ Is it correct – June 30, 2022 or should be 2023 ? if 2022 is correct then certs expiring on June 29, 2022 will get the whole day extension ! )))

Mary Jane

Nick, a suggestion for the 50k cert, Ritz in FLL. It is an older property but nicely maintained. It’s on the beach but you have an overhead walkway (there is a road in between).

Reno Joe

Why is this a surprise to anyone? The next thing will be removal of any points guidelines — some properties will charge 150k points per day. Just watch. There is a systemic assault on hotel loyalty program members by both the property owners and the programs themselves. As I’ve said repeatedly in other comments, hotel loyalty programs are a mug’s game and we’re the mugs.

Since Marriott went to low / mid / high-season points pricing, some properties seemed to be predominantly in high season. At the same time, it eliminated to “true” no-blackout-date feature, which allowed property owners to “manage” award inventory — maybe you get to redeem at the property you want and maybe you don’t. Breakfast for elites seems to have become coffee and a doughnut. Room upgrades are illusive.

PeterSFO

On a day where Hyatt implemented peak/off peak and there was widespread rumors that AA was going to devalue their partner award chart, Marriott comes out of nowhere with a steel chair. I guess being the largest chain is enough, no need to try.

We’ll see how that ends up working for them in a couple years.

*I know Hilton also uses dynamic awards but they also have 2x and 3x points promo nonstop and their CC earns a load of points. Marriott has somehow decided that its better to renew everyone’s status two years straight rather than do even one double point or double elite night resort promo the last two years.

Josh

My guess is that they don’t want to lose those customers with status to other chains once the travel comes back. Myself included, I was already leaning towards Hyatt prior to the status extension announcement, giving me another year of status will certainly make me rethink of switching.
But no award chart is something I am truly scared about, I had been planning a Maldives trip, with this change I bet the points redemption will impossible to do…

PeterSFO

I don’t think they are doing a very good job so far. I do wonder if the marketing language works better on the general public. That and not everyone is trying to go to the RC Maldives; maybe conceptually the fact that points cost will correlate with dollar cost resonates more with 95% of the people out there than an empty Hyatt Place still costing 15000 pts.

At this point, excluding free breakfast where half the brands don’t offer anyways, is Marriott status really worth it? What other tangible benefits does it actually bring? Now that points cost correlate with cash cost, I suspect booking through Stars/Virtuoso/FHR will be easier and have more guaranteed perks than trying to get to Plat ot Titanium.

Josh

The only positive change I see is the flexibility of using the FN cert with added points so far.
Yea, you bring up a good point. Perhaps booking through FHR will have an easier guaranteed perks vs gambling for upgrades as a Plat/Titanium

Scott

I wonder what happens to the Airline transfers. I probably don’t even want to know.

Bob

In the past, Marriott would give you a free fifth night if you redeem points for four nights. So you would get five for the price of four. Will this continue?

Andrew

As a teacher rewards programs moving to dynamic pricing REALLY destroys their value proposition. Teachers can generally ONLY travel during peak times. :-/

WR2

I’m just looking forward to burning the last of my FNCs and points, and canceling my Amex Marriott card, so I can wash my hands of Marriott.

Anthony

Howbout If I use a 35k Free Night Cert on a room that’s less than 35k they should give us the difference back in points upto 15k. But I know that isn’t going to happen.

T. Jones

Ya. That would be nice, but like you, I don’t see that happening. At the same time, I think being able to throw 5k or 15k on top of one of those 35k certs will become a sweet spot.

Abey

Marriott is big enough that they don’t need to compete is what they are thinking, they only need to keep members happy enough and get “free nights” the frequent traveler racking up a sweet vacation is not their focus anymore. And in terms of value to shareholders and rising profits is suspect they will be right

anonymous

“Flexible Point Redemption Rates”
Also known as “price-gouging whenever we feel like it.”

Bob

I was lucky enough to get into the game during the Marriott-SPG merger. It was easy to tell that Marriott was going the way of IHG, Choice and other obscure loyalty programs. I’ve haven’t stayed at a Marriott in years and probably won’t be ever again now even though I get Marriott Gold from my Amex Plat. Hyatt is just day and night better and given this devaluation, it’s officially time to write them off.

Reader

Marriott could have used this major change as an excuse to fix known issues with Bonvoy, like the elite status breakfast benefit or the relatively worthless $10 F&B credit at certain brands. But that would have required increasing the costs incurred by the owners of individual properties. Marriott didn’t do that. All Marriott did was flood the ranks of elite status in 2022 by extending status for some customers who haven’t been a guest at a hotel since March 2020. 

I also think the real story here is the complete failure of David Flueck’s Bonvoy. If you ignore the pandemic, Bonvoy has only existed for one full year. In that time we saw at least three rounds of category changes; dynamic, peak/off-peak pricing; and now the elimination of the award chart. What changes does Marriott make in 2023? This is not heading in the right direction.

I don’t trust David Flueck for a second. Pretty much everything he promised or forecast when Marriott Rewards, Ritz-Carlton Rewards and SPG merged and, then, later Bonvoy launched, has either never happened or was abandoned. He has very little creditability. 

Scott

Always remember Actions Speak Louder than words. Look at the company’s previous actions not their vague future promises.

Vince

Call me thoroughly skeptical. Marriott already has outrageous ‘upgrade’ point prices for certain rooms (like over 500K per night). I see no foot coming off that accelerator. Have upcoming trip burning 7 35K certs due to expire 1/3 (now next year). Nothing planned to make sure they are used by June, so still using them up.

David Spilkia

If I have some free night certificates but don’t have time to use them, can I book them for someone else to use.

Oliver

Do not try it overseas.

Brant

I’ve been in the travel hacking game for over 10 years now and every major airline, hotel and rental car company has had major changes of some kind during that period. Loyalty has no loyalty. That sword cuts both ways. I’ve been a fan and a detractor of all the major hotel groups at one time or another. Marriott is no exception. When these clunky and ill managed “enhancement” packages are announced, lots of folks think that they will fall into one of two groups, the fast and the dead. I used to be like that, however, I’ve learned to be patient. Some unexpected good always seems to turn up which gets me wondering why I was in such a hurry about getting out.

Reader

So are all the bloggers who sell credit cards going to stop referring business to Marriott? That’s the only way to get them to reverse this. How is anyone just starting now ever supposed to get enough points for a stay in the Maldives or a honeymoon in Hawaii or Paris? You’re never going to get enough points under dynamic pricing, especially if there is no award chart. Moreover, how equitable is this? What’s to say you pay 300,000 points for one night because you booked when rates were high but I paid 150,000 points because rates dropped and the hotel wanted to fill rooms?

Mary Jane

Hi Nick, great article. Wouldn’t this “adjustment” to Bonvoy make their lower end credit cards with free nights more valuable-buying 35,000 points for $95?

Scott

Why don’t they shift to a model of a pile of points on renewal? Similar to wyndham?

Brands

Because that would benefit the customer, not the hotel owners. We can’t have nice things.

Scott

The roundup feature would have been great if it debuted with the peak/off peak chart. Now I suspect the roundup will be required with the certs as they will lose more value than they already have. I’ve wanted to redeem for st regis bora bora and al maha but I guess I can kiss ever doing that good bye. Really disappointing to see this, bill marriott would be turning over in his grave.

Michael Tarlow

It has long been frustrating if not infuriating that a cat 5 property often requires 40k points. I think we have come to take it for granted that point prices are multiples of 5. While being able to top off certs with up to 15k pts is potentially great news, I can’t help but wonder if dynamic pricing will mean that suddenly we will start seeing properties requiring other point requirements. For example, 52k points keeping them out of reach of a 35k cert. If Marriott’s goal is to get people to spend their points, then maybe that won’t be the case. But if that is the case, why limit it to 15k?

Dan

I’d guess that most Category 5/6 properties won’t suddenly go up 15K-20K points overnight unless they consistently have high demand (either the hotel or the general location during high season).

Travelin'Dandy

Do you think this might lead to Marriott changing the “free night” cert to something resembling Hilton or Hyatt, where it’s not tied to an amount of points but rather tied to “weekend” or category? The “topping off” feature now basically means that you get 35K points every year with the $95 cards and 50K points with the top-tier cards, which makes a card like the Brilliant seem absolutely ridiculous… unless they are indeed making it 85K annually in addition to new benefits, like higher status.

Paying $450 a year for what is, essentially, $250 worth of points (much less when they go to the new Hilton-style pricing) seems like a very bad deal.

Brands

You are forgetting about the $300 Bonvoy credit, so it is still an okay deal, but probably not really worth it unless you value those 35K worth of points way more than $150.

Travelin'Dandy

True, if they keep it. Earlier speculation was that would turn into $300 of dining at $25 a month with the new $650 fee. If it stays the same it’s worth it, but its more of a break-even.

Liz

Ok, now when is Hyatt going to extend their free night certificates??

Darin

They’ve been letting them expire for some time now, so I wouldn’t hold your breath. I got 10k points for an expiring 1-4 cert just a couple of weeks ago. They seem content to stand alone in not accommodating here (even as a Globalist).

DiscoPapa

Timing likely planned to coincide with Hyatt’s peak/off-peak announcement, IMO. “They are adjusting an outdated” award chart” vs “we are modernizing the program”. All IMO, of course.

joremero

I had to burn my certs in a suboptimal redemption, but oh well…good for the rest of you that still have them. I still hVe my hyatt ones, so hopefully they do it there as well.

Beth B

So, do you think the other hotel brands will follow suit with extending the expiration of the certificates now? Usually when one does, they all do, right?

Jags

With any luck this will drag the value of Marriott points up rather than down. I’d much rather know I’m getting, for example, 1 cpp on average with a Marriott point at the expense of getting either 0.5cpp or 2cpp. It’s just too hard to get outsized value for people who may only get 1 week a year to go away on a resort trip.

Andrew

Im in this camp as well. I need a regular old cat 3-4 courtyard a lot more often than a cat 6-7. I’ve seen nowhere near the .7 cents mark on those most of the time.

Dan

I don’t think the value of points will go up, but I do agree that a couple of nights in Category 4-5 is always going to make way more sense for most people than a night in the high-end properties (then having to pay for the other nights!), especially given that it is hard to earn Marriott points efficiently.

Frank

It may, but only until the end of 2022 – then I suspect they will be almost worthless.

wadacash

With the exception of some possible short-term minor wins, the value of the points are unlikely to go higher than what Marriott sells them for during their frequent sales. If they commonly sell the points for 0.8cpp, pegging the value standardly at 1cpp seems too generous for Marriott. It’s more reasonable to expect 0.5cpp as the standard, as much as I would dislike it.

Previously, there was value in buying Marriott points for those who wanted to stay in Cat 8 hotels with cash prices far exceeding the points price. Or for those looking to stay somewhere fun during very busy periods. There isn’t any real value in buying points anymore unless they impose some point ceiling like Hilton does.

Jim Lovejoy

Marriott seems to be setting the points value in it’s Homes & Villas collection at 0.6 cents a point.
I doubt they’ll set the value below that for their own properties. I also don’t expect them to set it much above that.

Kevin

Great to hear about the top-off option. We like staying at the Marriott Vacation Clubs. I was hoping to be able to use my free night certificates to book 1 bedroom suites, but they consider that as an upgrade. Do you know if they are doing anything to allow for a room upgrade with certificates?

Thanks,

Kevin

Kevin

Thanks! That’s really frustrating. I feel like I was duped when signing up for the Boundless with 3 free nights. I tried to ask if Chase would switch me to the new bonus of 125k with 1 night, and they wouldn’t. We just dig the MVC’s for the kitchens since I have to do the gluten-free thing. Bummer. Thanks for responding so quickly.

Kevin

Thanks, Nick. Residence Inns are nice, too. We stayed at one in Paducah on the way home. I know that there is one on the beach down in Pompano Beach, FL. They pale in comparison to MVCs imo, but getting a 1 or 2 bedroom suite would be pretty great. Plus, also having kids, free bfast is nice. I’m still going to try book a standard guest room at an MVC resort and call the resort to see if I can get it upgraded to a 1 bedroom. Doubtful because they seem to have a hardline stance, but it just doesn’t seem right. Thanks again!

Cindy

We love MVCs. I have been able to sometimes use points to get a 1 or 2 bedroom in Orlando. Also in Doral- all the rooms are 2 bedroom.

Kevin

Agreed, Cindy. We have been able to use points to book, too! It’s great! MVC timeshare owners are shocked to hear that we aren’t owners. The issue I’m struggling with is that these free certificates only allow for a guest room. They treat one bedrooms as an upgrade, so the system does not allow using these certificates. No Gouda IMO.

Cindy

Oh! Well, their with the new rules this site is talking about, you can top off a free night cert. with points. So if there is a 1 bedroom available with points, I would think it would work once they set up for the new rules. If you can’t do it online, try calling. So often the MVCs are not available with points- at least when we go.

We also stayed at Ocean Pointe and Shadow Ridge this year! (Neither with points, unfortunately.)

Cindy

Ok I get what you are saying now. Maybe try properties which don’t have the smaller rooms. Cypress Lake in Orlando and Doral (Miami) only have two bedrooms.

Kevin

Great suggestion! Not ideal destinations, but it would definitely be a solution. Thank you!

joremero

“Marriott Vacation Clubs”

Which ones?

Kevin

We like Shadow Ridge a lot. Canyon Villas was decent. We just did a long stay at Ocean Pointe. I would say I like it second to Shadow Ridge. We’ll also do Willow Ridge sometimes since it’s close to home.

joe

I have an old category (4)-7 night certificate set to expire January 3, 2022. Will that also be extended to June along with the 1 night certificates as they were in the past? I recall some confusion during the last extension.

Frank

This is most important to me too. I have 3 x 7-night certs expiring on January 3.

Dr Mark

What Joe and Frank asked…I have 2 of these set to expire on 1/3/22 as well. Are they being extended? Inquiring minds want to know….

Oliver

I have a 1-4 package expiring.

Eddy

Did Nick (or anyone else) answer this? I didn’t see an answer, but it’s hard to read through my tears. I don’t think I’ll ever get over Marriott swallowing SPG.

Oliver

From : view from wing

Travel package certificates extended. Update: these are being extended until June 30, 2022 as well.

PS I hope the extension is real!

Frank

According to View from the Wing:

Travel package certificates extended. Update: these are being extended until June 30, 2022 as well.

Shannon and Sergio @ScrewTheAverage

By chance does anyone have any updates on whether suite night awards are being extended to 06-30-22 too?

Yes they’re extended to 6/30/22 as well

Shannon and Sergio @ScrewTheAverage

Thank you for your response Greg and sorry for the redundant question, we got Marriott’s email this morning. 🙂

Len

Greg, could you please provide the link for this confirmation?

Greg The Frequent Miler

It was also in the email that Marriott sent to members with the subject heading: Status Extensions, Redemption Flexibility, and Pausing Points Expiration