Update: Hyatt has fixed the issue at the specific property I highlighted and also reached out to apologize for the confusion. More detail can be found in the section titled “Update” near the bottom of this post, but suffice it to say that they went above and beyond in making it right and more importantly I expect that readers reaching out to the Hyatt Concierge on Twitter will likely have an easier time than I did with future similar bookings.
I frequently say that I rarely ask a customer service representative a question to which I don’t already know the answer. While I know most probably take that as hyperbole, I genuinely mean it: reps are so often incorrect that I typically look to real-world experiences as first-hand sources of info. Hyatt typically has fantastic customer service, but yesterday I was surprised to find that quite a few Hyatt reps were unfamiliar with how Hyatt Premium Suite upgrades on paid stays are supposed to work. If I hadn’t been confident that I knew how they worked and continued to push (for hours), I may have either overpaid or believed that the booking I wanted wasn’t possible. Take my story here as a reminder to know the terms and be ready to “hang up and call again” when you don’t get the right answer.
The several ways to book Hyatt Premium Suites
Greg has written about some of the incredible Hyatt Premium Suites that can be booked with points (See: Finding extreme luxury in Hyatt Premium Suites). Hyatt offers several different ways to book their Premium Suites as you can see on their page outlining Free Nights & Upgrades that I’ll outline in below. This post is really about the third way seen below (upgrade on paid nights), but I’m including all three options for completeness and relevance later.
Free Night Award
A Premium suite can be booked as a free night award for double the points of a standard award when available. Take for example the Grand Hyatt Washington in Washington, DC from January 15-16, 2021. As a category 4 hotel, a standard room at this Grand Hyatt can be booked for 15,000 points as a standard free night award, so the Congressional Suite, a Premium Suite at this property, can be booked for 30,000 points per night as a Suite Free Night Award (pending availability).
Points + Cash
A second option for booking a Premium Suite is a Points + Cash award. A standard room Points + Cash award costs 50% of the points for a free night award plus 50-70% off of the Standard Rate. Similarly, a Premium Suite Points + Cash award costs 50% of the points for a Premium suite free night award + 50-70% off the Standard Rate for the specific suite you’re booking (usually 50% off the Standard Rate). So whereas a free night in the Congressional Suite costs 30K points above, a Points + Cash rate costs 15K points plus $470.
The 15K points is half the points for the Premium Suite free night award (ordinarily 30K) and $470 is half of the Standard Rate for that suite (50% of $939).
Premium Suite Award
A third distinctly different way to book a Premium Suite is as a room upgrade on a paid nights. In this case, there are two different ways it will price depending on whether you are booking a non-resort or a resort.
- At a Hyatt hotel (non-resort property), a Premium Suite Upgrade award requires that you pay the Standard Rate of a standard room (at minimum) and 9,000 points per night.
- At a Hyatt resort, a Premium Suite Upgrade Award requires that you pay the Standard Rate of a deluxe room and 9,000 points per night.
The Grand Hyatt Washington is not a resort (but note that some city hotels are classified as resorts, so this isn’t always intuitive). The “standard room” (One Queen Bed) at the Grand Hyatt Washington starts at $189 on my example night. Note that this room is also available at cheaper rates (the “Member Rate” or “Advanced Purchase Rate” or “Members Advance Purchase” rate), but a Premium Suite award is based on the Standard Rate.
You could therefore book the Congressional Suite for $189 plus 9,000 points per night as an upgrade award on a paid stay.
That’s a great deal both from the perspective of paying very little cash outlay for a $940-per-night suite and given that $189 essentially saves you 21,000 Hyatt points per night (over booking the Premium Suite as an award stay for 30K per night).
Note that the Premium Suite upgrade award costs fewer points and less cash than Points + Cash (the previous section’s 15K points plus $470) and this Premium Suite upgrade award is a different type of award than Points + Cash. Now that you know that information, you are one up on three of the four Hyatt reps I chatted with yesterday.
If you’re wondering why anyone would book the Points + Cash rate from the section above that required both more points and more cash (15K points and $470), I’m right there with you. Points + Cash wouldn’t make sense in this situation (or most situations). The Premium Suite Upgrade on a paid rate is how I would book the Congressional Suite in this case.
If only it were always that easy. Well, the Congressional Suite is that easy because it prices correctly online….but if you run into a hotel that isn’t pricing correctly online, it may not be so easy at all.
My misadventures trying to price a Premium Suite award
When Premium Suite awards (free night awards, points + cash, and upgrades on paid nights) initially launched, it wasn’t possible to book them online and the only way to book them was to call or message the Hyatt Concierge on Twitter. Now, Premium Suite awards are indeed available to book online for many properties (thought note that the online booking engine does not always show all of the available suites, so it may be worth checking in some instances to see if there is the chance to book a Premium Suite that isn’t shown online).
In my case, I was looking to book a Premium Suite award yesterday at a property where the online tool was not pricing it correctly. These are the basic details of the stay I was trying to book (I’ll hold off on sharing the exact hotel for now):
- Standard rate for a standard room was less than $200 per night
- Premium suite standard cash rate was about $2,000 per night
- Points + Cash was pricing at half the points for an award stay + $1,000 (as expected)
- Premium Suite Upgrade was pricing at 9,000 points plus just over $1,000 per night. This price didn’t make sense.
That Premium Suite Upgrade did not appear to be pricing correctly at Hyatt.com. I couldn’t make sense of where they were getting the $1,000+ per night for the cash portion of the upgrade award, so I tried several other channels and I was surprised at the lack of familiarity with upgrade awards.
My Hyatt Concierge
I first reached out to My Hyatt Concierge via email to inquire about booking the premium suite I wanted for the Standard Rate of a standard room plus 9,000 points per night.
My Hyatt Concierge informed me that there is no such thing as 9,000 points plus paying the Standard Rate of a Standard Room. She told me that it should be 9,000 points plus 50% of the Standard Rate for the suite. I explained to her that Points + Cash offers the room for 50% of the standard rate for the suite, but I was looking to book an upgrade award on a paid stay, which is a different type of award.
She dug in on her explanation. I actually already had a reservation for the room I was inquiring about that I had made for the standard rate plus 9,000 points per night (rates had since dropped, so I was looking to re-book for a bit less) and she told me that the agent who helped me make that reservation was wrong and that the hotel may not honor my reservation since it was for so much less money than the full standard rate of the suite.
I quoted the section of the World of Hyatt Program terms that explains how room upgrade awards are supposed to work (bold is mine for emphasis):
(c) Room Upgrade Awards
1. Suite Upgrade Awards: A Room Upgrade Award for suite accommodations (“Suite Upgrade Award”) may not be redeemed at all Hyatt hotel or resort locations and may have minimum room-type and rate requirements for the underlying reservation, including as described below. Suite Upgrade Awards are only valid for the type of suite specified by the applicable award at the time of redemption and only at participating Hyatt hotels and resorts that offer that type of suite accommodations (subject to the exclusions set forth below). In order to redeem a Suite Upgrade Award at a Hyatt resort, a Member must pay the Standard Rate for a minimum of a deluxe room (such as partial ocean view, ocean view, slope view, Dreamcatcher or Sunrise room, etc.). In order to redeem a Suite Upgrade Award at a Hyatt hotel (that is not a resort), a Member must pay the Standard Rate for a minimum of a standard room.
My Hyatt Concierge explained that since I was looking at a Premium Suite, the section above was not applicable (though the section goes on to talk about both Standard suites and Premium Suites). I think the confusion was that she was thinking of a Globalist Suite Upgrade Award rather than the point-based award I was trying to book and she was only familiar with Points + Cash, not the upgrade on a paid stay.
I couldn’t get her to agree that the type of award I was trying to book existed. Since the cash portion on Hyatt.com was about half of the standard rate for the Premium Suite, she held firm on the explanation that the cash portion for this type of award should be 50% of the rate for the suite in question. After a couple of emails back and forth, it was clear I wasn’t getting anywhere.
Twitter rep 1
I next tried the Hyatt Concierge on Twitter. I have often said that the Hyatt Twitter team is not just the best in the business, but the best in business, full stop. Service is consistently excellent and I find that the Twitter team typically understands exactly how these things should work.
However, the first rep with whom I spoke told me that the option to book a suite upgrade by paying the standard rate for a standard room plus 9,000 points per night did not exist. To be clear, I asked generally how this works to start rather than specifically about the hotel I was looking to book.
As you can see, the first rep told me that the option to upgrade using points is not based on the standard room but rather a discounted rate for the suite. (to be clear, that’s how Points + Cash works, but I wasn’t asking about Points + Cash)
I pushed back with the pertinent section of Hyatt program terms and she dug in with the same exact explanation as My Hyatt Concierge: essentially, she said that the section of terms I was quoting was about using Globalist Suite Upgrades and not when using points and that when I use 9,000 points per night I’d have to pay a discounted rate based on the suite’s standard rate.
I have to imagine that the average customer would quit there. Both my assigned concierge and the Twitter rep agreed that what I wanted to do was just not a thing but rather that the 9,000-point Premium Suite upgrade was based on a discounted rate for the suite. As I continued to push back, she said “We cannot book a standard room and use the points to upgrade to the suite and keep the same rate.” I knew they were both wrong, but even I started to question my understanding at this point.
Twitter rep 2
After spinning my wheels with Rep #1 for a while, a second different rep stepped in. By this point, I had brought in the Grand Hyatt Washington example I used above in this post to make it clear that the Premium Suite upgrade doesn’t price at 50% of the standard rate for the suite but rather 9,000 points plus the standard room at the standard rate (I was just trying to establish that upgrade awards exist as I knew them to work). I pointed out that the standard rate for that Congressional Suite was $939 but the upgrade award was $189 plus 9,000 points — and $189 is the price of a standard room at the standard rate. This was the response:
The rate with points+cash is the rate that it would be for the suite and when paying the standard rate is based on what the rate is for that day which does differ than when using points+cash. What [the previous agent] said is the best way to really explain the rate plans.
I didn’t totally understand that, but I clarified that I’m not talking about Points + Cash but rather a Premium suite upgrade on a paid night. I pointed to this page that explains the different types of awards several times. Eventually, rep #2 said this about the Grand Hyatt Washington Congressional Suite:
There are a two different rate plans for that premium suite and it is confusing because of the cost of the suite at a standard rate. The system shows the rate of $469.50 plus 15,000 points which is higher rate and requires more points than the $189 and 9,000 points. I will have to get more clarity on that because it does not seem correct to me.
Clearly this rep wasn’t familiar with the fact that Points + Cash and upgrade awards are different things. I again provided the link to the different kinds of awards — again, at this point I was just trying to establish that upgrade awards for 9K points plus the standard rate exist.
Then someone else stepped in and explained that there are indeed two different rate plans and explained to me the difference between Points + Cash and room upgrade awards (which was precisely what I had been trying to do for 90 minutes at that point). I figured we were finally heating up!
Twitter rep 3: Social Media Manager
At this point, I said this is exactly what I’ve been talking about and I’m looking to book an upgrade award, not Points + Cash. I pivoted back to my original hotel and asked what the rate should be for an upgrade award, not Points + Cash.
The conversation then switched over to a Social Care Manager who was responding to me (she might have actually been the 4th Twitter rep because one person didn’t sign messages). She quoted me the same $1,000+ per night plus 9,000 points that everyone else had for the upgrade award. I asked her where the $1,000+ was coming from since a standard room was far less. She responded with this:
That is a very good question! This property is listed as a resort property, thus resulting in their upgrade rate plans being associated with the higher room category.
I hadn’t expected this property to be a resort (and when I originally made my reservation, I don’t think it was), but it turned out she was right about the fact that the property in question is classified as a resort now. Fair enough, but I pushed back for what felt like the millionth time (nearly 3 hours after starting my chat with the Twitter concierge) and asked what room type it was based on since there were no room types at all priced at $1,000 per night at this property for those dates. The ~$1,000 price didn’t seem to be associated with any room type at all.
At this point, she finally realized something was wrong:
Hmm – so sorry for the confusion on this one. I see the discrepancy here in that rate. I will need to reach out to our data services team to have this corrected as it appears it may be built in the system incorrectly. Is this something you were wishing to book? We can book it now to hold it if you wish until we get it adjusted.
Finally! It took a lot of pushback to get someone to both understand how an upgrade award should work and realize that the pricing was wrong. I asked her which room type the upgrade should be based on since this “resort” (they use that term loosely) has no rooms labeled “deluxe”. She couldn’t say for sure without reaching out to a separate team that handles this but she said that at maximum it would be about $217 per night based on the various room types. Yeah, like eight hundred bucks less than the price told to me by my Globalist concierge, the Twitter team, and this social care manager initially. On the one hand, the premium suite is an amazing deal. On the other hand, who would get that deal if they didn’t know they could keep pushing for it?
In Hyatt’s favor I’ll say that this rep did offer to hold the reservation while they figured it out. That is far better service than I would expect from competitors like Marriott. In this case, I didn’t need that since the rate for a “deluxe” room was higher than the standard room I initially booked when I booked my upgrade (again, I originally started this train in motion to see if I could re-book at the now slightly reduced standard room rate — the difference in price wasn’t worth all this hassle, but I wanted to know how it works for the purposes of the blog). By this point in the conversation, it wasn’t about the rate change anymore — I was just trying to establish that I wasn’t nuts.
In the meantime, I reached out to our Hyatt contact to also confirm that I’m not nuts and I did get that confirmation — indeed, upgrade awards should be at the standard rate for a standard room at non-resorts or the standard rate for a deluxe room at resorts. Good luck knowing what a “deluxe” room is at a resort or whether the Hyatt.com engine is pricing that correctly because clearly it doesn’t always and you can’t necessarily count on a rep to notice that it’s wrong when it is.
The key takeaways
- Hyatt Premium Suite Upgrades can be a monster value. Getting a $2K suite for 9,000 points plus a couple hundred bucks is a fantastic deal. I’ll share more details about this after my stay.
- A lot of reps may not know these awards exist. Push back. Then push back again. Be ready to “hang up, call again”. Hopefully reps will become more familiar with this type of award, but as you can see in this post they may not be.
- Even the best in the business are sometimes just flat out wrong. Keep pushing when you know you’re right. If you don’t, you may either way overpay or not know what you could have gotten. Customer service agents from banks and loyalty programs often don’t know every intricate detail of their programs and can often be mistaken, so don’t count on the first or second answer as the correct answer.
That last point is really the important one. A customer who took it for granted that their concierge must be correct and/or that the first Twitter rep (or two) must be correct or even that the Social Care Manager was initially correct would have either far overpaid or not thought the room was available (or I might have worried that my reservation wouldn’t be honored!), so it always pays to know before you jump in. When you’re not sure about something, ask others who have done it. In my opinion, this is one of the key values of belonging to groups like our Frequent Miler Insiders Facebook group where you can ask other people about their experience. I guarantee that someone in the group would have known how these premium suite upgrades are supposed to work right away.
Finally, it’s worth noting again that Hyatt’s customer service is typically the best in the business. It’s not common for them to be this far off and part of me doesn’t blame agents for being a bit confused about the fact that there are so many different ways to book premium suites and they probably don’t encounter these types of bookings every day. I do wish that they had been more receptive to me pointing out program terms, but I took this as a good learning experience to know the terms and to stand firm when you do. Customer service just isn’t always right, so be ready to dig in (politely) and the rewards can be huge.
The social media manager I dealt with yesterday took the initiative to reach out to my Globalist concierge to explain premium suite upgrades and my concierge in turn very genuinely apologized to me for not being familiar with this program feature. They both updated me when the mispricing problem at the hotel I was highlighting got fixed.
Apparently, when I originally booked my reservation months ago, the hotel was not categorized as a resort and that explains why I had previously made a reservation for a standard room at the standard rate plus 9,000 points per night to upgrade to the premium suite. However, when the hotel was re-categorized as a resort (just a few weeks after I made my reservation), the rates for these upgrade awards did not get loaded correctly.
The IT department fixed the mistake today and both the social media manager and my concierge apologized for the misinformation and inconvenience and they credited my Hyatt account with 9,000 points in an effort to make it right. That was unexpected, but the effort here (from the social media manager contacting my globalist concierge to both of them following up with both IT and then with me when the problem was fixed) is a classic example of how Hyatt often goes above and beyond expectations to fix things when a mistake is made. More importantly, the good news is that I expect that at the very least the Twitter team will likely be more acutely aware of how these upgrade awards work and that is really the result that matters for readers.
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If I book a standard room with points, then apply a suite upgrade award (milestone award) to upgrade it to a standard suite, can I use points again to upgrade it to premium suite?
Great story, had no idea this was even an option.
I’ve push back before with a Hyatt agent on the Globalist line with the very same issue. The agent didn’t understand what I was talking about and eventually hung up on me. I tried a 2nd time and the agent put me on hold and then disconnected the line.
They kept telling me the only options are full cash or points+cash and that cash+9K points doesn’t exist. Those phone representatives don’t even want to listen. They only listen to what they want to hear and think they know the system better than the loyalty members. They don’t even want to take a minute to listen and learn.
Perhaps I will try Twitter next time. I am glad you got through to someone who understood you! You’re not crazy lolz
I’ve updated the post and I’m adding this comment to update those who have commented. Hyatt today fixed the mispricing issue and apologized for the misinformation from several reps. See the full update at the bottom of the post, but the good news is that I imagine the Twitter team will be fully aware of these awards moving forward.
Valuable stuff. Thanks for taking one for the team. Any idea how it would work if someone booked a a standard room with Hyatt Prive then tried to upgrade to a premium suite for 9,000 points? Would the booking be applicable? Would Prive benefits be honored? It’d make an awfully nice stack.
Can’t be done. That was my original idea back when I booked this months ago. Planning an eventual post about that after the stay. Even though Prive is the same rate, you can’t stack it.
Wow! This is incredibly useful information! What a great use of 9,000 Hyatt points. I’m going to have to try this next time I book with Hyatt. Thanks again! 🙂
Wait so I can’t use the suite upgrades that I earned this year with points bookings? I’m am referring to the ones you get when you hit the nights.
Of course you can. Those book into a standard suite. This post is about booking premium suites with points and some amount of money and has nothing to do with elite status.
Clarification – you can NOT use suite upgrades on top of the certificate “free night award” (cat 1-4 or 1-7) regardless of how they’re earned (promo, # of nights, CC spend, CC anniversary).
It’s in the T&C, I don’t know why it is that way, but it is and has been that way since Gold Passport switched to WoH.
Oh that’s interesting. What if I book the first night with points and apply the tsu then pay the rest with my free night awards?
I didn’t think you were asking about Cat 1-4 or Cat 1-7 certificates originally. Originally, you asked about using suite upgrade awards (the ones you get when you reach 50 nights or 60 nights in a year) on a points booking. You can make a points booking for a standard room of up to 7 nights and use one suite upgrade award (earned from 50/60 nights) to upgrade to a standard (not premium) suite.
You can *not* apply those suite upgrades on nights booked with free night certificates (for example the Category 1-4 free night certificate that comes with the Hyatt credit card annually or the Cat 1-4 certificate you get after staying 30 nights, etc). You could certainly try what you’re suggesting, but the property would be under no obligation at all to keep you in the suite for the nights booked with your Cat 1-4 or Cat 1-7 free night certificates.
Do all hotels participate in this? Just doing some random searches and some hotels have that option and some don’t even if premium suites are available for booking. I’m assuming the properties that are excluded from suite upgrade certificates also won’t participate in this along with hotels like Hyatt Houses and Hyatt Places that don’t have suites however even then it’s hit or miss.
I imagine with the unfamiliarity of the reps with this program, it would be next to impossible (or a huge pain) to book this rate if the option wasn’t offered on the website in the first place.
I don’t think all hotels do. My instinct would have been to just check with the Twitter team, though as I indicated in a response to someone else above I’ve heard very anecdotal reports of phone agents seeing suites that weren’t bookable online, so YMMV. After escalating on Twitter and reaching out to our Hyatt person, I would probably throw ten bucks on the Twitter team having a better handle on this a week from now than they did yesterday, but it’s obviously still possible that you’ll get an agent who just pops in the hotel name and dates and looks at what the system says and doesn’t wonder whether it’s right (in fairness, most agents probably don’t question what the search tool says every time — I don’t typically question it either after searching).
Nick, you indicated that you have booked a paid stay and upgraded to a premium suit with 9K points at the same hotel. Can you re-book with your original booking method? Thanks for the article.
I booked it over the phone the first time. I am 85% sure that it must not have been categorized as a resort when I originally booked it. The explanation as to why I think that is probably longer than it’s worth, but the bottom line is that when I had called about it I now realize that the agent also saw Points & Cash rates loaded (there was a P+C rate for an even higher level very very expensive suite and initially she only saw that before searching another minute and finding what I booked — the standard rate for the standard room plus 9K points). I think the system likely changed how it priced suites for this property when it got re-classified as a resort and that messed something up.
This “standard rate + 9K” for a premium suite seems to be a “feature” that no one on a Hyatt side understands. Will not be surprised if T&C gets updated and everyone will be funneled to Points+Cash. Thanks for the article, Nick
I just called about a reservation I made a while ago that was not pricing out correctly…standard room is $199, but I am being charged $329 + 9000 pts ($329 is not a rate for any room). Have spoken to 3 different agents, none understand what I’m talking about. Have read through T&Cs with them, even showed an example on their website where it is pricing correctly, but they keep telling me to use the points they are basing it on a discounted rate of the premium suite. I telling them it is not cash + points. One agent actually hung up on me. The third put me on hold to check and then just disconnected after 5 min of waiting. The agents, even the supervisor had no idea. One told me I could pay the standard rate and use a globalist upgrade to get the suite, but if I wanted cash rate + points the only way to do it was half the room rate + points. Still don’t have a resolution.
How do I reach someone who understands this and can fix my reservation?
Hyatt – TRAIN YOUR PEOPLE!!!
Try the twitter team in a couple of days. I got an email from my concierge today apologizing for the inaccurate info yesterday indicating that the Twitter social care manager had reached out to her and they’d be getting back to me with the correct pricing for the property in question. That’s more along the lines of what I typically expect from Hyatt and so now I won’t be surprised if more people are aware of how to book this in a week or two.
However, you have my curiosity. Click the “Contact us” link at the top of this post and send me an email with your property if you don’t mind. I wouldn’t mind having another example of a property where this is mispricing to pass along to our Hyatt contact in an effort to get it fixed.
No secrets here…this was for the Hyatt Regency in San Francisco…look at booking a room on Oct 27-29, standard rate is $249, but the suite award is showing as $334 + 6,000 pts. There is no room in the ‘standard’ tab listed at that rate and this hotel is not considered a resort.
The 4th agent I spoke to understood the issue…unfortunately for me I booked at a time when the standard rate was higher than the current standard rate and they told me there was nothing they could do to adjust it down other than cancel and try to rebook, but that the suite may drop out of the system as available on points when I try to rebook – even if it do it right away.
As a comparison, the Hyatt San Antonio Riverwalk does price this out correctly for the same dates (standard rate + 6,000 for a standard suite). I even tried to show this to one of the agents and she was still adamant that the hotel in SF was ‘different’.
What Hyatt brands have this? It is hit/miss around the globe for WORLD OF HYATT SUITE POINT UPGRADE on web site. If cannot find, do you do what you did and ping them via availability? I am planning a trip next year to Japan and see some hotel sites have and others do not. Already did at Hyatt Regency Osaka getting a standard room at 19,000 yen and then Suite upgrade of 9,000 points to go to a room that is regularly 71,150 yen for 19,000yen plus 9,000 points. Granted I have globalist but room is 3X size of standard room and for 9,000 points it is worth it. Trying to find others in Tokyo but not all brands have suite point upgrades online. So do I see what concierge or twitter gets me or wait a little to see if this gets deciminated on hotel direct web sites more?
I’m booking a trip to Japan next year also — Tokyo, Kyoto, and Osaka.
Note that the Hyatt Regency Osaka is in a weird location not near the downtown where most tourists like to be. I ended up using Hilton free night certificates to stay in the Conrad Osaka instead.
I don’t know if you’re going to Kyoto, but it’s worth noting that while the Sowaka SLH is a category 7 at 30,000 points per night, it books directly into one of their two suites, and the Suite Room (if available) is 100 m^2 and in the neighborhood of ¥162,400/night, at least on the days I booked.
Thanks Andy. I am using Marriott for a number of locations and filling out with Hyatt as well. In first five days at Price Sakura Tokyo. In Kyoto, we are at Mitsui Kyoto. Both are 5 days with points and will be our hubs for experiences.
Nick I am at the Hyatt Regency Hakone as well for one night! I will look to switch from Osaka Regency as I agree out of the way of things. I wanted to do 1-2 nights at ABBA Izu BUT not in Hyatt program right now due to Covid.
I have Platinum with Marriott and GLobalist with Hyatt. Any other recommendations!?!?!
Wait a second – you used 30K points and got booked into the suite there? Doesn’t a points booking qualify you for the base room, which would then (hopefully) get upgraded one category to a superior room?
It was an ongoing glitch — 30k points was booking into the top two suites. I’m speculating here, but I think it had been that way for a while.
I was able to confirm it really worked because I checked cash availability on the suite before booking, and it was gone after selecting the room for my 30k/nights booking. Even up close to the trip dates, the room was still unavailable for cash booking while some dates around mine were still available; i.e. the room was mine.
Unfortunately, I ended up canceling the stay because Japan still wasn’t really open for tourism (they were doing that guided tour thing), and now when you do a points booking you are only offered the base room.
I’ve seen it at Park Hyatt, Andaz, Grant Hyatt, and Hyatt Regency at the very least. I think it’s possible that Thompson / Joie de Vivre might have it. Not sure about others.
Also: I haven’t checked the Hyatt Regency Hakone to see if they have premium suites bookable, but I highly recommend the place regardless. Many people refer to it as a secret Park Hyatt because it definitely has more of a Park Hyatt feel than a Regency feel. The lobby/restaurant is much more Park Hyatt-esque.
You are an inspiration. I would have given up after the second attempt, thinking I must have it wrong somehow. Kudos to you for sticking to your guns. I enjoyed reading the article in its entirety with all the details.
You’re the man, Nick! Good work getting the suite in the end through your persistence! Thanks for writing it all up.
Great article. And — really fantastic value booking this way. That said, if I were Hyatt I probably wouldn’t tell my own staff about the option — seems like shooting themselves in the foot, revenue-wise, when they probably already consider the points-and-cash booking (at a much higher rate) to be a good value.
Should I call the hotel directly to find out what the cost of a deluxe room is before I call customer service?
I’m really not positive about this yet. It isn’t clear what constitutes deluxe. For example, look at the Grand Hyatt Kauai. The Premium Suite there (Pool Suite) books based on the standard rate of club level room plus 9,000 points per night. There are a *lot* of room types between the standard room and the club level room (and there is a very significant difference in cash price). I don’t know for sure that the club room is what should be considered the deluxe room or if every resort gets to decide that themselves.
I honestly wouldn’t bother calling the hotel. It’s very unlikely that you’re going to find anyone that is going to correctly know the intricacies of upgrades and room types. And to make a booking they’re gonna to send you back to central reservations anyway.
This is very helpful information. While I’m familiar with how Hyatt Premium Suite Upgrades work in theory, in practice they are confusing. Are all premium suites at a given hotel eligible for a Hyatt Premium Suite Upgrade, or does the hotel get to select which ones are eligible? If the latter, how does one know which premium suites are eligible (other than those that can be booked directly on the app such as the Grand Hyatt Washington)? Whenever I have called Hyatt to inquire about Hyatt Premium Suite Upgrades, the reps’ responses have always been that either the hotel doesn’t participate in Hyatt Premium Suite Upgrade or that the premium suite in question isn’t eligible.
No, not all Premium Suites are eligible. The easiest hint as to what’s available is to look at points bookings for the hotel. If you see a Premium Suite bookable with points (i.e. double the cost of a standard room for a free suite night), it should theoretically be available as a paid upgrade the way I’ve outlined it.
However, there are some hotels with additional premium suite types that don’t show up online. My advice there is going to sound ridiculous if you’ve read this post, but the best way to find what’s available as a premium suite booking is to contact the Hyatt Concierge on Twitter. You can also call, but then you do have to wait on hold. In the past, I’ve found the Twitter concierge to be good at identifying when Premium Suites are available. They may not be familiar with this way to book it, but they do seem to be keenly aware of what room types are available.
That said, an acquaintance who recently booked a more premium suite than what is shown online for a property did so over the phone if I remember correctly, and when I initially booked this property at the standard rate plus 9,000 points I did so over the phone without any pushback or difficulty, so it may be worth a call if it’s important.
Great post with very useful info, thank you for posting the details!
My copy editor bokes all my reservations. But, seriously, good article.
Nick, This is very good information! I’ll bookmark this post to refer to should I have problems booking a room upgrade award.
Ok I’ll be “that guy” – please make sure and run spell checker before uploading. Title should clearly be “booking” and not “boking”
Ugh. That’s what I get for changing the title two minutes before publication. Thanks, fixed.
Wow, this is really something. Good on you for figuring this out!
Interesting topic but dragged out too much. Got bored half way through and stopped reading.
Typically rather than HUCA I simply ask for a supervisor. They are more knowledgeable on the rules. But if your concierge didn’t know, maybe neither would a supervisor.
Good info to know though. Thanks.
Sometime after you stopped reading a Social Media Manager also got it wrong.
It was a great length, in fact I’d have even liked it longer…. Good build up, narrative, and resolution.
I’m curious how you managed to get multiple reps to step in via Twitter as that can be a challenge, with the same one just repeating themselves.
For whatever reason, different reps often step in mid-conversation, usually when there is a long pause but sometimes even short.
Standard rate + 9000 is my main path to stays at Hyatt, despite Globalist status, because I’m guaranteed a great suite.
The upgrade based on cash rate is listed on this page under “Room upgrades on paid nights”
This is the code that often appears on my reservations. Not sure if it’s something that reps can look up to find a back way into that type of reservation if they’re not familiar with it.
Upgrade Premium Suite – CR51440
Nick, this is a fantastic column — I really appreciate the details, on the program, the policy, and its actual implementation. I learned about this opportunity from prior FM columns, but have been slow to try to put it into practice because, frankly, I didn’t really understand it, and the variety of “offers” on tabs across various hotels was making me understand it that much less. Now I think I can forge ahead.
Concierges at Hyatt are great, but, like you, you have to take them for what they can do for you and politely ignore the rest, including the occasional misinformation.