Chase “Pay Yourself Back” (Updated categories and dates)

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In May 2020, Chase introduced a fantastic new benefit for select cardholders: “Pay Yourself Back”.  The basic idea is that you can exchange your Chase Ultimate Rewards points for statement credits against certain categories of purchases.  For example, currently you can redeem points, at full travel value, to offset certain categories of spend. Here’s the link to use this feature yourself.

Details by card

Sapphire Reserve

Redeem points for 1.5 cents each to pay back the following charges:

  • Dining (includes restaurants and food delivery service): Through 6/30/22
  • Airbnb: Through 6/30/22
  • Select Charities: Through 12/31/22
    American Red Cross, Equal Justice Initiative, Feeding America, Habitat for Humanity, International Medical Corps (also aiding efforts in Ukraine), Leadership Conference Education Fund, NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund, National Urban League, Thurgood Marshall College Fund, United Negro College Fund, United Way, World Central Kitchen (also aiding efforts in Ukraine).
  • Annual membership fee: Through 6/30/22
  • Expired Options:
    • Away Travel: Through 3/31/22
    • Grocery: Through 9/30/21
    • Home improvement stores: Through 9/30/21
    • Fund a vaccine ride with Lyft: Through 9/30/21

Sapphire Preferred

Redeem points for 1.25 cents each to pay back the following charges:

  • Airbnb: Through 6/30/22
  • Select Charities: Through 12/31/22
    American Red Cross, Equal Justice Initiative, Feeding America, Habitat for Humanity, International Medical Corps (also aiding efforts in Ukraine), Leadership Conference Education Fund, NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund, National Urban League, Thurgood Marshall College Fund, United Negro College Fund, United Way, World Central Kitchen (also aiding efforts in Ukraine).
  • Expired Options:
    • Away Travel: Through 3/31/22
    • Dining (includes restaurants and food delivery service): Through 9/30/21
    • Grocery: Through 9/30/21
    • Home improvement stores: Through 9/30/21
    • Fund a vaccine ride with Lyft: Through 9/30/21

Freedom Cards (Unlimited, Flex, Visa)

Redeem points for 1.25 cents each to pay back the following charges:

  • Select Charities: Through 12/31/22
    American Red Cross, Equal Justice Initiative, Feeding America, Habitat for Humanity, International Medical Corps (also aiding efforts in Ukraine), Leadership Conference Education Fund, NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund, National Urban League, Thurgood Marshall College Fund, United Negro College Fund, United Way, World Central Kitchen (also aiding efforts in Ukraine).
  • Expired Options:
    • Dining (includes restaurants and food delivery service): 7/2/21 to 9/30/21 [Up to $250 in dining purchases]. Redeem for 1.1 cents per point.
    • Fund a vaccine ride with Lyft: Through 9/30/21. Redeem for 1.25 cents per point.

Ink Business Preferred, Ink Plus

Redeem points for 1.25 cents each to pay back the following charges:

  • Internet, Cable, & Phone Services: 6/30/22
  • Select Charities: Through 12/31/22
    American Red Cross, Equal Justice Initiative, Feeding America, Habitat for Humanity, International Medical Corps (also aiding efforts in Ukraine), Leadership Conference Education Fund, NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund, National Urban League, Thurgood Marshall College Fund, United Negro College Fund, United Way, World Central Kitchen (also aiding efforts in Ukraine).
  • Expired Options:
    • Select Advertising: Through 3/31/22
    • Shipping Services: Through 3/31/22
    • Home Improvement Stores: Through 6/30/21
    •  Fund a vaccine ride with Lyft: Through 9/30/21

Ink Business Cash, Ink Business Unlimited

Redeem points for 1.1 cents each to pay back the following charges

  • Internet, Cable, & Phone Services: 6/30/22

Redeem points for 1.25 cents each to pay back the following charges:

  • Select Charities: Through 12/31/22
    American Red Cross, Equal Justice Initiative, Feeding America, Habitat for Humanity, International Medical Corps (also aiding efforts in Ukraine), Leadership Conference Education Fund, NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund, National Urban League, Thurgood Marshall College Fund, United Negro College Fund, United Way, World Central Kitchen (also aiding efforts in Ukraine).

Expired Options:

  • Home Improvement Stores: Through 6/30/21
  • Fund a vaccine ride with Lyft: Through 9/30/21

A permanent new feature

Originally, Pay Yourself Back was offered only through September 30, 2020. Then it was extended through April 30, 2021. Now, though, the offer has been extended as far out as 12/31/22 for some types of spend.  My bet is that they’ll keep this feature long term and extend it each time the end date nears.  With each extension we’ll continue to see some changes such as which types of expenses can be used.

Why this is exciting

Previously, the best use for Ultimate Rewards points (besides transferring points to high value travel partners) was to book travel through the Chase travel portal.  Sapphire Reserve cardholders get 1.5 cents per point value this way.  Sapphire Preferred and Ink Business Preferred cardholders get 1.25 cents per point value.

The great thing about the Pay Yourself Back feature is that you can now get that same value for everyday purchases.  For example, if you’re a Sapphire Reserve cardholder, you can use your card at restaurants and later exchange your points to pay off those restaurant charges.  With the Pay Yourself Back feature Sapphire Reserve cardholders get 1.5 cents per point value.

For those of us who spend enough within the eligible Pay Yourself Back categories, Chase’s Ultimate Rewards cards become more like super-charged cash back cards.  You’ll still have the ability to transfer points to travel partners, but you’ll now be able to easily cash out points for full value instead.

Keep in mind that points earned on other Chase cards can be moved to your Sapphire Reserve account in order to get more value.  So, if you consider that this feature makes it easy to cash out Sapphire Reserve points at 1.5 cents each, then we can calculate the cash back equivalent earnings of each Ultimate Rewards card by multiplying the earnings rate by 1.5.  For example, the Sapphire Reserve card earns 3X for travel & dining, so it now earns the equivalent of 3 x 1.5 = 4.5% cash back for travel & dining.  Similarly, the Freedom Unlimited card earns 1.5X everywhere (in addition to its 3X and 5X categories), so it now earns the equivalent of at least 1.5 x 1.5 = 2.25% cash back everywhere.  Here’s a look at the cash back equivalent earnings for each currently available Ultimate Rewards card (assuming that someone in the household has a Sapphire Reserve card in order to be able to cash out at 1.5 cents per point):

Card Info Name and Earning Rate (no offer)
Chase Ink Business Preferred Card
Base
Travel
Phone
Biz
Other
Earning rate: 3X travel, shipping, internet, cable, phone, and advertising with social media sites (up to $150K spend per year) ⚬ 5X Lyft through March 2025
Chase Ink Business Unlimited
Base
Other
Earning rate: 1.5X on all purchases ⚬ 5X Lyft through through March 2025
Chase Sapphire Preferred Card
Base
Travel
Dine
Other
Earning rate: 5X Travel booked through Chase (2X all other travel) ⚬ 3X Dining ⚬ 3X Select streaming services ⚬ 3X Online grocery ⚬ 5X Lyft (through March 2025)
Chase Ink Business Cash Credit Card
Base
Dine
Gas
Phone
Office
Other
Earning rate: 5X office supplies ⚬ 5X cellular/landline/cable (on up to $25,000 in total purchases in 5x categories annually) ⚬ 2X gas and restaurants ⚬ 5X Lyft through March 2025
Chase Freedom Flex
Base
Dine
Shop
Other
Earning rate: 5x travel booked through Chase ⚬ 5X Lyft through March 2025 ⚬ 3x dining ⚬ 3x drugstores ⚬ 5X in rotating categories on up to $1,500 spend per quarter. 2022 Q2: 5x Amazon and select streaming services
Chase Sapphire Reserve Card
Base
Travel
Dine
Other
Earning rate: 10X hotels & car rentals booked through Chase ⚬ 10X Chase Dining ⚬ 5X flights booked through Chase ⚬ 3X Travel and Dining ⚬ 10X Lyft (through March 2025)
Chase Freedom Unlimited
Base
Travel
Dine
Other
Earning rate: 5x travel booked through Chase ⚬ 5X Lyft through March 2025 ⚬ 3x dining ⚬ 3x drugstores ⚬ 1.5X everywhere else

Pay Yourself Back Example

Note: This example is from the time when this feature first debuted.  Grocery & dining purchases were both valid categories at that time.

When I logged into my Chase account and browsed to Chase’s Pay Yourself Back page, I found a number of qualifying purchases.  I had a couple of DoorDash purchases and a few grocery purchases:

I selected each of the above purchases and then had the opportunity to enter how much of each purchase should be paid back with points.  In each case, I selected “Apply Max Value”.  I was a little concerned that it might be better to pick a round number to get full point value, but that concern was unfounded.  Chase rounded up the value of the points in my favor.  Take, for example, the $283.60 grocery purchase at Plum Market.  28,360 cents divided by 1.5 = 18,906.67.  One would expect Chase to round that up to 18,907 to determine how many points were required.  Instead, they rounded down to 18,906.  Cool.

Pay Yourself Back Q&A

Can we use this feature for purchases made before the eligible dates?

Chase’s Pay Yourself Back allows transactions from the past 90 days.

Do we earn points for purchases that are paid back with this feature?

Yes.  Erasing purchases does not cause Chase to pull back the points earned on those purchases.

Where can I find Chase’s FAQ regarding this feature?

Chase’s Pay Yourself Back FAQ Can Be Found Here.  The FAQ covers the following topics:

  • What is Pay Yourself Back?
  • How does Pay Yourself Back work?
  • How do I get to Pay Yourself Back?
  • What purchases are considered eligible for Pay Yourself Back?
  • How will I know if a purchase is considered “eligible”?
  • What are some examples of eligible purchases I can pay myself back for?
  • Is there a maximum number of eligible purchases I can select to pay myself back?
  • How long is a purchase considered eligible for Pay Yourself Back?
  • Can I apply points to an eligible purchase multiple times?
  • Is there a minimum amount of points required for a Pay Yourself Back redemption?
  • Is there a maximum amount of points you can use for a Pay Yourself Back redemption?
  • How long will it take to get my statement credit?
  • Will I need to pay my minimum payment on my monthly statement if I redeem for a statement credit?
  • Which Chase cards are eligible for Pay Yourself Back?
  • What if I don’t see “Pay Yourself Back” as an option on the Ultimate Rewards site?
  • What if I don’t see any eligible purchases listed on Pay Yourself Back?
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Steve L.

Pretty much a garbage list of charities plus Airbnb which is useless to me. Pathetic. Bring back useful everyday categories please.

DaninMCI

Do they actually check out any of those “select charities” Just one example is the Equal Justice Initiative. It’s a social justice group pushing for no jail time for offenders that break the law. They push this under the theory that it is not fair to people of certain races or low-income folks yet the Director CEO is getting rich. His latest salary is over $15,000,000 from this “charity”.

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escot

…….. hmmmmm…. so no updates, just that still unspecified headline (with a now prescient “?”), chase extends something or other pay yourself back, but no idea for what. (and we’re at 9/30)

Last edited 7 months ago by escot
Greg The Frequent Miler

I guess we’ll see tomorrow!

Lar

For the Ink Business Preferred card the program has been extended until 12/31/2021. There was a banner on my online account page.

d*

Not seeing the Internet, Cable, & Phone Services category as a redeemable option on my ink plus card. anyone seeing it on theirs? would love to earn at 5x and redeem at 1.25x

Greg The Frequent Miler

I’m not seeing it either. I’ve emailed Chase to ask about it. My guess is that it starts July 2nd along with a new Freedom category (1.1 cents for dining)

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HADLEY V. BAXENDALE.

Greg – Unfortunately, the supermarket bonus points = 3X — appears to end on 4/30/21 as I have seen nothing that indicates that this, too, will be extended. Therefore, I likely will not be using my Reserve card for supermarket purchases, regardless of the ability to PYB being extended for such charges thru 9/31/21.

What about you? Will you continue to use the Reserve card for supermarket purchases despite it earning only 1 UR point/$?

It’s a tough call. I haven’t been using it anyway since getting the Platinum 10X deal. It might be worth moving to using it for all dining purchases even if it means giving up 4X with Amex Gold or 5X prestige.

HADLEY V. BAXENDALE.

Thanx. Not a fan of AMEX MR so not an issue for me. I think I will use Hyatt 5X thru June if it is not renewed — as looks likely, and then probably switch to my new Freedom Flex which carries the 5X for a year.

FEDeral ORcA

Do we have any idea if PYB has become a permanent feature of Chase cards? Possibly with a different category or different cash out rates after 4/30.

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Chen-Hung Chang

Can I buy a cellphone from Walmart or target and then use pay yourself back to cover the entire purchase? I know I can get one from Apple products directly through chase reward redemption for iPhone at 1.5x, however, this way seems like an even better method since I can also earn points on my purchase. Please let know. Thank you.

Greg The Frequent Miler

No, I don’t think Chase will consider Walmart or Target to be a grocery store. However, you can buy Apple gift cards at a grocery store and pay yourself back for that, then use those gift cards to buy the Apple products directly from Apple.

sasa

Do you know if Lidl, Aldi, and Costo gift cards work for this PYB feature on CSP? Costco calls its GC a Shop Card, would Chase view it as a regular GC? Does Cosco fall under the same category as WM and Target or grocery?

Since I’m a rookie at this game, but I’m waiting to get my new CSP CC, would this be a reasonable deal: Buy $1k of gift cards of Lidl and Aldi and use the bonus of 80k to erase the $1k charges? Not sure when I’ll resume travel, so the PYB for groceries seems reasonable to me, but maybe I’m missing something?

Thanks

Greg The Frequent Miler

I’d expect Aldi and Lidi to work, but I don’t have any first hand experience with them. Yes, I think it’s reasonable to use the points that way.

Winter

Hi Greg or Nick,

I read Nick’s post about CFU in which he shows buying a $1k Amazon GC at Whole Foods to stack bonuses (qtrly + bonus for groceries up to $12k).
My question: How does he pay that particular statement? Cash out of his checking account or does he use UR points? If I understand correctly, he cannot use a PYB feature for groceries on CFU CC statement that is available on the CSP, right? If he indeed is using PYB to pay his bill, I’d love more instructions on how to do it.

It’s amazing how much revolving cash one must have in their checking account in order to use for various spend and bonus opportunities on the current new CSP and CFU offers alone in order to earn the max bonuses on both.

Greg The Frequent Miler

You’re right that Nick can’t use the Pay Yourself Back feature for purchases made on his Freedom card. I expect that he uses cash savings to pay the statement.

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ChaseSapphireUser

Is there a restriction that only 1 redemption via Pay Yourself Back on Chase Sapphire over a 2-3 day period ? I did some on Friday night but the button is greyed out on the second screen and I cannot confirm and submit. Anyone else experience this ? I have enough points and have applied full amount to the appropriate transactions.

Greg The Frequent Miler

No I haven’t seen that happen

Mr. Mr.

This is happening to me, too. Not sure why. Haven’t redeemed any points in more than a month.

Kathy

So, we pay alot for advertising with our business. I put the charges on my Ink Business Preferred card. I was able to “wipe out” $1225 in advertising costs. Chase is paying 5 points per dollar on these so I think it was a good mood but I hate seeing so many of my points go away. Anyone else feel this way when using the pay your self back feature.

Hadley V. Baxendale

For those like me who have both the Chase Sapphire Reserve and the Chase Freedom Unlimited, what is the better play here when purchasing groceries with these 2 cards?

Bank (via transfer) the 1.5 UR points in the Chase Sapphire Reserve UR account when purchasing groceries with the Freedom Unlimited or purchase them straight away with the Sapphire Reserve and use Pay Yourself back for their cost?

If it helps, I have over 400,000 UR points in Sapphire Reserve account.

Thanks!

Do you have the first year 5X grocery offer on your Freedom Unlimited? If so, I’d use that to pay at grocery stores until either maxing it out with $12K grocery spend or until the deal runs out after 12 months. If you didn’t sign up recently for the Freedom Unlimited and are only earning 1.5X at grocery stores then I’d recommend using your Sapphire Reserve since you’d only be losing half a point per dollar. That’s not a big deal.

Hadley V. Baxendale

Thanks, Greg, your response has been mirrored by others and am already putting it into practice. If I had a new Freedom Unlimited, then it would be an easy choice, but I have had this for years. Thanks, again!

marQ

This is such a nice feature if you are near restaurants that have “pivoted” to grocery or take-out family meals. 3x bc they still code as restaurants then cash out at 1.5, bank the money and wait for better travel days to use on rental properties or independent hotels.

One question, if this promo is not extended and I make an eligible purchase on 4-30-21 will I have 90 days to pay myself back or does this end that day and I have <24 hours to take the credit?

Greg The Frequent Miler

My assumption is that you would have 90 days, but I’m not 100% sure.

Rosie

I just want to make sure I’m not missing something- currently; if you use a sapphire reserve at a grocery store, you earn one pint- so, even if you pay yourself pack, the value of that point is 1.5 -;far less than other cards. Seems as if it only makes sense to use p y b on categories where you get enhanced points to begin with, like dining. Where the return is equivalent to 4,5. (I think that greg’s grocery purchases where from when chase had a temporary increase on points earned at grocery stores)

Greg The Frequent Miler

That’s correct, but if you think of it as a way to cash out points earned from other purchases, it’s not too bad. For example, assume you accumulate 50K points from 3X purchases (and from 3X and 5X purchases from other Chase UR cards), then you use your Sapphire Reserve for $750 in grocery purchases so that you can cash out your 50K points. Further, let’s say that you could have earned 5% back at grocery stores with some other card. So, for that $750 spend, you lost 3.5% (5% – 1.5% earned from Sapphire Reserve) = $26.50. Now you cash out your 50K points for $750 back. Subtract out the lost opportunity $26.50 and you’re left with $723.50. Cash out value then is $723.50 / 50,000 = 1.447 cents per point. If you compare to a 3% card instead of 5% card, then the cash out math works out to a cash out value of 1.4775 cents per point.

If you use 3X dining purchases to cash out, the math looks much better. If you compare to a card that offers 4.5% or less than you get the full cash out value.

Brad

They need to allow pay yourself back for travel. Then we could book travel with any provider instead of Chase Expedia. This would be way better especially if you need to change your plans.

Greg The Frequent Miler

I wouldn’t be surprised to see them switch to travel as a category once travel is a big thing again someday.

Adam

My guess is these categories are temporary and Chase is using a planned feature release trying to stay relevant like all travel cards now since no one is traveling. Once travel resumes, Chase will change the PYB categories on all cards to more travel related (Except freedom, I’m sure Chase can take a write off on their end for allowing fee free cardholders to cash out Charity at 1.25 CPP and that won’t expand) and this will be more like USB AR Real Time rewards. It just doesn’t make sense otherwise to allow cardholders to redeem points at “full value” for low margin transactions in such a broad selection of easy to spend categories.

Would love to be wrong though.

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Gaurav

Has anyone come across the problem of the “Confirm & Submit” button being grayed out at the end of th redemption process? Shows all my eligible charges and allows me to select max points but can’t complete redemption.

nick

Awesome feature! Two questions; 1) if CC bill is paid in full every month, then would it have a credit amount for charges made in the past 90 days using this? 2) How do DoorDash credits play into this? Let’s say I already received the $60 credit in the past 30 days, then I now use the Pay Yourself Back feature on that charge, would I receive the credit again or do I now have a $60 credit on my CSR?

Greg The Frequent Miler

In both cases, you’ll get credit applied to your account. So, you’re likely to have a negative balance on your account. In your DoorDash example, you would get another credit and your account (if you have no other charges) would show a negative $60 balance.

Nick

Very interesting regarding the Doordash credit, do you of data points that show people using the credit 2+ times?

OR97

What about a Chase adding this (indefinitely) for erasing travel purchases (like Altitude reserve does I believe)? There is the annual $300 credit but this would add more flexibility. Would allow you to erase purchases you can’t Do via their portal (other parking, tolls etc) and things you do not want to do via portal (like hotel stays where status and earning are not recognized)

Greg The Frequent Miler

I really do hope that they do exactly that. That would make the Sapphire Reserve an unbeatable travel rewards card in my opinion.

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Ben

Ann Arbor! Didn’t know you lived there. My hometown

Allan Sanchez

Love this new feature. I’ve always sought ways to pay for taxes or fuel surcharges with Chase UR Points at 1.25 cpp. Now I can get a gift card purchase from the grocery store “erased” so I can use it to cover the charge. Not to mention the ability to buy Airbnb or Hotels.com gift cards as well.

dale m

In your example(s) with the Plum Market, there is a reference to “your 50% points savings” ??

I can’t seem to figure out what this is referring to.

Greg The Frequent Miler

I think you identified a mistake in their wording. With the Sapphire Reserve card your points are worth 50% more. That results in a 33% savings not a 50% savings.

Pam

And actually a 38% disc including the value of the points (5x groceries)

THEsocalledfan

So, let me guess….meant to publish this Monday morning…. 🙂

Greg The Frequent Miler

Good guess, but no. I did have a different post ready to go for Monday morning until I realized a problem with it. Luckily Stephen had his awesome find ready to go! https://frequentmiler.com/ihg-sweet-spot-dynamic-pricing-4th-night-free/

soflotravel

what time of ms spending are you doing to earn all those points? 🙂

Matt

This seems way too good to be true.. the math just doesn’t make sense for this to not lead to some rather unpleasant changes down the pipe or a real tightening of chase’s fairly laissez faire attitude when it comes to churning and MS

Steve L.

1,292,864 points remaining? You must be doing some serious manufacturing spend.

YoniPDX

So $450 AF for 90 days to cash out UR at 1.5cpp at Gas/Grocery/Home Improvement.

The CSR $450 AF. It’s at a loss till you cashout 10,000 UR for @ 1.5 cent (at a loss) Assuming you spend the $300 travel credit for groceries, etc but not exciting or business travel reimbursement arbitrage.

Only then are you actually cashing out at 1.5 cents at Gas/Grocery/Home Improvement. I only value doordash credit at $25-27.50 after tips and fees (even with Dashpass) Lyft pink I value for a few laughs.

Yet, grocery and home improvements are not very aspriational or bucket list items for most of us. That’s just part of our normal spend we do organically for points for aspirational type travel or meeting MSR.

I don’t see influencers Gramming trips to HD, IKEA, or Kroger – even for that rain fall shower head. Maybe spoofing a Bali trip at IKEA.

The tables have turned – I think AmEx pulled off a coup with thier EXTRA COVID19 credits – rather than a bonused UR burn exit avenue.

If I burned all my URs what’s keeping me around next AF?

Also CSR doesn’t have a free AU path just $75pp.

Plats can have AUs as gold for free (i.e. more spend) or as paid Plat cards for Amex lounges.

I think AmEx thought this out and Chase reacted and did so poorly without forethought.

Chase had the superior product – when travel was normal. I loved CSR. (PP).

Chases points liability on thier books was likely being inflated away and stagnant – and not a cost center (i.e. redemptions) but post redemption and no travel what’s keeping you on the hook for $450/$525 every 12 months?

Bob

Will Chase take back the points earned on purchases when you use Pay Yourself Back on those purchases? It wouldn’t make much sense, but I’d like to confirm that they won’t.

Greg The Frequent Miler

I don’t believe that they will but I’m waiting to see what happens with my points before I’ll feel confident about that answer.

AlexL

Do we earn points for purchases that are paid back with this feature?
We are still waiting for confirmation about this, but it appears that you do still earn points, including bonus points (such as 3X for dining).

Greg Jr.

Greg, what do you normally buy at Plum Market Ann Arbor which you earn 15k+ points every couple days?

Greg The Frequent Miler

15K+ points is the number of points required to erase the charge, not how many points I earned. At 1.5 cents, 15K points erases a $225 charge.

Nick Jr

Thank you. Greg Jr has a long way to learn. By the way, I really enjoy the weekly YouTube live and podcast. I listen every episode twice, sometimes three times!

MalMel

I thought your discussion of this with Nick in your recent podcast was really good. Can you note where it is in the podcast ( what minute it begins)? Thanks!

Greg The Frequent Miler

Approx 22:29. Here’s a link to that spot in the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGn2piXzQUA

AlexL

17:12 Chase’s big new COVID offer

Larry

Wow — 90 day look back is cool.

Greg — any sense if it will allow you to go negative in your account so that you would end up with a credit balance in the end? I don’t want to try but if so those with old 90 charges of significance are effectively getting almost true cash back on anything.

Greg The Frequent Miler

My assumption is yes, you can go negative. But I haven’t tried it.

Gerry

I believe you can. I had a 20% off Sun Basket offer and bought a $100 GC to give as a gift. The 20% credit came in ($20) but I am still able to pay myself back on the $100 purchase (as they come up as 2 different line items). So…wait for the $20 credit, pay myself back on the $100 line item and have a credit balance.

Pam

Yes. Chase sends an email asking where to send the cash. Any bank ok.