Vacasa Vacation Rentals is my new favorite use for Capital One miles. I haven’t checked in for my first stay with them yet, but this week I successfully made my first booking and I’m pretty sure it will not be my last. In the current climate, getting an entire cabin in the mountains with a recreation room, loft, and incredible views for 15,000 Capital One points transferred 1:1 to Wyndham Rewards seems like a huge win indeed.
Vacasa rentals calling my name via Capital One transfers
Vacasa Vacation Rentals can be booked via Wyndham Rewards points at 15K points per bedroom per night. Greg previously wrote about this sweet spot and why it looked interesting and readers reported it to be as good as advertised. Earlier this week, when Capital One increased the transfer ratio from its miles to Wyndham to an even 1:1, I was itching to get a place booked for my first trip since the pandemic began. Thanks to advice from readers and Travel With Grant’s excellent write-up about his experience booking a Vacasa property in Kauai, I was able to make a booking for an entire cabin with a view in the Smokey Mountains and I can’t wait to get there.
Rather than share the exact cabin I’ve booked, the pictures in this post come from multiple listings that were available for 15K points per night during the time I booked. I booked a cabin in the Smokey Mountains and in the area around Pigeon Forge and Gatlinburg where I was searching, it seemed almost standard that every standalone cabin came with a game room that housed a pool table — some also had foosball, air hockey, and various arcade games. Every place I searched had a hot tub, many with views like the one above, and many of the cabins I saw featured multi-level porches with views in multiple directions and plenty of windows for natural light.
I noted in yesterday’s post about the strength of Capital One’s transfer partners that while Chase has Hyatt to its credit, Wyndham is quickly becoming a key strength for Capital One. While I’ve stayed at a number of great Hyatt properties around the world for a reasonable number of points, it is amazing to me that I can book an entire house like this for 15K Wyndham points per night.
As Greg has previously noted, Wyndham charges 15K points per bedroom per night for Vacasa vacation rentals. Furthermore, there appears to be some sort of upper limit in terms of cash rates in order for a place to be “available” to book with points. To get the best possible deal, the secret is to filter to one-bedroom properties (you can use this handy link Greg provided) and figure on places over $400 per night before fees likely being unavailable.
But note that one bedroom doesn’t necessarily mean one bed. In fact, I found a lot of places had a full bedroom and also a pull-out couch and also a loft that had one bed – or sometimes even more than one bed.
The max occupancy of some of the cabins was 4, but others were a max occupancy of 6, like the listing below that has 1 king bed, 1 futon, and 1 sofa bed and is listed as a 1 bedroom plus loft but goes for 15K Wyndham points per night since it is indeed a 1-bedroom.
How I booked it
Greg wrote these instructions in his previous post about booking Vacasa vacation rentals:
- Start your search here: www.vacasa.com/search?maxbeds=1&place=/usa/
This link filters to a maximum of 1 bedroom. If you want more than 1 bedroom, change the filter, but keep in mind that 2 bedroom units cost twice as many points.
- Use the Vacasa website to find properties that are available for cash rates for your dates of interest. I recommend finding at least three options that would work for you, if possible.
- Email Wyndham to inquire about those properties and dates, here: email@example.com OR call: (506) 646-2943
- Put a reminder on your calendar 31 days or more before your stay to remind you to cancel if it doesn’t look like the stay will work out. Bookings are non-refundable within 30 days.
In the time since, Grant at Travel With Grant wrote a post about booking a vacation rental in Kauai. In that post, Grant provided the following template to fill out for the email you send to firstname.lastname@example.org:
Number of Adults:
Number of Children:
Number of Bedrooms:
I was hoping to book with minimal back and forth messages since Grant had reported that it took a day to get a response from Wyndham, so on Monday afternoon I filled out that template for four properties in my first email. Three of the four properties I chose were 1-bedroom. The fourth was listed as a 0-bedroom since the bed was really in a loft. I included the 0-bedroom property mostly to see if it would still price at 15K per night since I’d seen some nicer 0-bedroom properties in another area we intend to visit. Out of the places I inquired about in my first email the prices were as follows before fees:
- $491/nt for option 1
- $358/nt for option 1
- $359/nt for option 3
- $330/nt for option 4 (the 0-bedroom property)
I received a response from Wyndham on Tuesday morning. The only property that was “available” via Wyndham Rewards was the fourth option. I’d really only thrown that fourth option in my request to see how the 0-bedroom priced. It wasn’t really the place we wanted to stay (it looked decent, just not quite as nice as other places), so I sat down to find another set of properties to check.
I was about to write back an hour later with several more places that looked better to us, but I decided instead to cut to the chase: I asked the agent if instead of me sending her a bunch of listings and going back and forth to check which were available if she could instead just give me a list of 1-bedroom places that were available for my destination and dates to save us both some time. I expected they would tell me that they couldn’t do that and I’d have to check my desired properties one by one. Almost 24 hours had passed without having heard back and I was getting ready to fire off another email full of listings on Wednesday morning when much to my surprise the agent got back to me with a list of 13 properties that were available using points for my chosen dates, including names and direct links to the properties with my check-in and check-out dates (which was very convenient for the purposes of this post as I had single-click access to the pricing for my dates).
The most expensive of the 13 properties that were available with points was an average of $345.66 per night for the 3-night stay I planned. Note that the rate for each individual night differed during my dates, with one night pricing at $351 and the other two at $343 each. The total price with fees would have come to $1,451.07 for the 3-night stay at this property. Let us pause on that for a moment: 45,000 Capital One points, which for many years could only have been used to erase $450 in travel purchases, could get me a $1,451.07 stay with an entire mountain cabin to myself. Wow!
Somewhat interestingly, I found the same property that I ultimately booked was listed on other sites like Airbnb. Oddly, it wasn’t available for booking via those other sites for my chosen dates — it was only available as a cash booking for my dates via Vacasa (it was available on other sites during other times). I have no idea why that is the case – I can’t imagine that Vacasa is preemptively buying places out. Weird.
At any rate, I transferred points from Capital One to Wyndham (Actually, my wife first called Capital One to move some of her Capital One miles to my account and then I transferred those Capital One miles to my Wyndham account. Each transfer was instant). I emailed the Vacasa agent Wednesday afternoon to say that the points were in my account and I’d like to book. They asked for a phone number and time to call me to verify and book. Unfortunately, I just missed picking up their call in time, but a few minutes after I missed their call they emailed asking me to verify my name and address.
About 40 minutes later I had an email back from the agent confirming my reservation and that they had redeemed 45,000 Wyndham Rewards points for my 3-night stay. They provided me with an internal Wyndham confirmation number, told me to expect a second email from Vacasa within 24-48 hours with a rental agreement for me to sign, and they also highlighted the 30-day cancellation policy: if I cancel more than 30 days in advance, I receive a full refund. If I cancel within 30 days, I forfeit all points used for the redemption. That last part is a little scary in a world of uncertain travel. My wife and I will be fully vaccinated before the trip, but our kids won’t be. And sometimes, stuff comes up. I hate nonrefundable reservations, but in this case we feel certain enough about plans that we are willing to take the plunge.
On Thursday morning, I received an email from Vacasa that included the Vacasa confirmation number and a link to view my stay online and sign the rental agreement. I was able to easily set up an account on Vacasa and add my confirmation number to be able to easily pull up details on the Vacasa site or in the Vacasa app. Note that I do need to electronically sign the rental agreement at Vacasa at least 30 days in advance – don’t forget to click the link in the email that Vacasa sends you. The info indicates that they’ll get me any access codes I need for the home on my check-in date. So far so good!
Was this a good use of Capital One miles?
First of all, absolutely yes. Of course getting a 3-night $1400 vacation rental cabin in the mountains with its own pool table, hot tub, and two stories of outdoor porches overlooking the Smokey Mountains for 45,000 Capital One miles is an amazing value that I’ll take as often as I can while the Wyndham and Vacasa partnership lasts.
Still, I did stop to question my redemption from a few standpoints.
- Not all of the cabins had outstanding reviews. Some noted some cleanliness and/or maintenance issues. It seems that most of the vacation rentals in this area are owned independently and managed locally, so getting issues resolved via Vacasa sounds…unlikely.
- 45,000 Capital One points is more than enough for a business class flight from New York to Lisbon with Avianca LifeMiles or on Royal Air Maroc to Casablanca via Etihad or one of many other sweet spots from Capital One partners. I had to think about whether a transfer to Wyndham made the most sense. Since I have easy access to other points that can get me flights when needed and I don’t yet have other easy access to Wyndham points, I ultimately decided that this redemption was indeed worth 45K Capital One miles to me. It just wasn’t necessarily a slam dunk thanks to the newfound strength in Capital One partners. If we’re able to add the Wyndham business credit card to our wallets, I’ll be excited since that will score us 8x at gas stations and 10% off award stays, which would have made this stay even cheaper. Then I’d just use Capital One to top off my account when necessary.
- I have this odd rare ability to redeem 64,250 Capital One miles for a $900 Marriott Gift Card. This is something grandfathered on my old Capital One account – most people don’t have this redemption. However, since I do have this redemption available, 45K Capital One miles are worth $630 in Marriott gift card money for me (since 45K is 70% of the points I would need for a $900 gift card, I’m figuring it to be “worth” 70% of that gift card). Am I willing to trade $630 worth of potential Marriott credit for this vacation rental? Since I already have tons of Marriott points and quite a bit in Marriott gift card money (and no hotel plans yet this year), I was totally fine making this trade.
At the end of the day, I couldn’t shake the temptation to finally take my first trip since the pandemic began and spend a few days in the mountains with my family in our own little bubble. It’s possible that the cabin I booked won’t meet my expectations or that I’ll discover some reason why vacation rentals aren’t for me. I probably could have eked even more cash value out of an international premium cabin flight someday down the road. But in the current environment, this seemed like the perfect way to get back into travel and enjoy some family time. Between Wyndham’s newly-expanded partnership with Vacasa, Capital One’s increase on the transfer ratio, and the timing of our vaccinations, everything just came together perfectly. We’ll see how the stay pans out.
Wyndham’s unique partnership with Vacasa presents an opportunity for incredible value at just 15K Wyndham points per bedroom per night (particularly for 1-bedroom properties), something Greg has previously reported. Now that Capital One miles transfer at a ratio of 1:1, I find this partnership even more exciting. In Greg’s first post about the Vacasa partnership, he said that frustration was “guaranteed”. However, thanks to him taking up that frustration and the resulting tips from readers in his follow-up post and an excellent write-up from Travel With Grant about his experience with the booking process, I was able to get a place booked with relative ease and get fantastic value for my Capital One miles. Now I can’t stop looking at Vacasa to find the other gems that are out there. This was my first booking success, but I can guarantee that it won’t be my last.
did you have additional fees or taxes on top of the points redemption? like cleaning fees, booking fees, etc.
Just tried to book/get availability via email using your template as a starting point and got this reply:
To review or book a Vacasa location(s) using your Wyndham Rewards points, you now just need to call 1-800-441-1034. The agent will be able to assist you in reviewing locations and then with the booking of the reservation.
dont know why is so easy for everyone. i tried over a dozen listings of 1&2 BR in Hawaii for next month and none worked. this in spite of reps initially telling me they’re available.
Nick and Greg,
Thanks so much for your Vacasa posts.
I just booked two, 2-night stays in 1-bedroom properties (6-7 person capacity) during ski season in Colorado.
The first would have cost almost exactly $900 total after taxes and fees. The second was exactly $350/night before taxes and fees, $966 total for the 2 nights after taxes and fees.
Each 2-night booking cost just 27,000 Wyndham points after the Wyndham Rewards Earned Business cardmember 10% rebate.
Ridiculous value. Thanks so much for bringing it to the attention of your readers.
Also, FYI, I started with the email template, but the agent replied, “To review or book a Vacasa location(s) using your Wyndham Rewards points, you now just need to call 1-800-441-1034.” That’s what I did for each booking, and the process was smooth, though it did take 20-30 minutes each time.
Brian, that’s great to hear!
We’ve heard the same from several readers about not being able to book via email anymore and so I’ve updated our main Wyndham Vacasa post with the new details: https://frequentmiler.com/wyndham-vacasa/
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Wow, yet another terrific post and discussion, thanks! Happens we’re about to try a booking in the same area for early to mid June. 😉 Thanks for the road-map, so to speak. Be fun to compare notes.
I have been hoarding my Wyndham points for 2 yrs now towards the opening of WG’s Sam Lord’s Castle in Barbados. Looks like they will finally finish construction by yr-end (govt issues) but meanwhile I have more points on the chopping block before the property will be bookable.
I took the Vacasa plunge 2 days ago for a Texas Hill Country winery cottage for Memorial weekend. I have stayed there before paying cash, & it is impeccable. I am thrilled not to be oop $300/nt this go round!
THANk YOU Greg & Nick for doing all the legwork on the booking process. Could not have gone smoother. I emailed my 2 requests using the template you provided on Sunday night. Before noon yesterday Vacasa had replied with availability – both were available using points. After getting my full address & agreement on the “we really mean it” cancellation policy I was confirmed.
I own Wyndham timeshare, too, & have found a lot of value over the years with the company & credit cards as a whole. They can also be a real pain to deal with but building new luxury props like the Venezia del Caribe Resort in Ambergris Caye, Belize (only 5* prop there & actually made it to the Registry Collection) makes an investment in their programs very worthwhile for my family.
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I’ve tried many properties in the lake tahoe region and the northern california coast with little success. A little availability on weekends in May. Hardly any in June or July. Most have wide open availability on the calendars but the wyndham staff claim they’re not available. So far it’s been a pain.
There’s a theory that the average daily rate has to be under $350 for a one bedroom unit to be bookable with points. Have any of the ones you tried (and were unsuccessful with) been under that $350 average?
Tagging on to this, did you try the technique in the post (providing your dates and city and letting them get back to you with a list of available properties)? I found that much easier / less tedious & time consuming than going one by one and asking about each property that looked good.
Yes I did. There are done properties available, just not the ones I’m interested in booking.
I was able to book but I had to be very flexible with dates. It also takes a long time for them to respond. They’re not available weekends either.
The whole process is just a headache. It works but with a lot of patience and flexibility.
It seems like you’re right. Once the price per night gets near $400 they’re not available to book. $350 may be the magic number.
Thanks! I just booked two nights in a southern California mountain cabin this way. It’s a bit of a clumsy booking process but at the end of the day I managed to get it booked with 30k Wyndham points after transferring some Capital One points in order to top off my existing Wyndham balance. The cash amount of the cabin would’ve cost around $700 total for two nights (after taxes and fees). So I got a value of around 2.3 cents/point. That’s pretty good considering Wyndham points are typically valued closer to 1 cent/point.
The cabin I booked was considered a 1 bedroom at 15k/night, however it has an additional “loft” with a 2nd queen bed.
I will note that altough I didn’t have to pay the standard taxes and fees since I used points, I did have to pay out of pocket for the owner’s pet fee, which I still found to be reasonable.
No way this lasts more than a few months, but it is a cool redemption story! I currently have 0 Wyndham points, and my guess is that this offer disappears before I would even have the chance to accumulate them. Enjoy your trip to Gatlinburg, that area is beautiful and the Great Smoky Mountains National Park has wonderful hiking trails for your family.
Nick, thanks for posting and congratulation you made it. I just wonder about fee. If I read your post correct, you do not have to pay “any fee”, right?
If I can avoid those cleaning fee and other mandatory fees, I want to burn all my points.
Correct – no fees. 45K Wyndham points covers the whole thing! I only provide the before-fee prices in the post because there seems to be a correlation with the nightly rate (before fees) and what is available to Wyndham.
Hey Nick, I’m glad you had a pretty simple booking process with Vacasa and were able to find a great rental. If you do manage to get the Barclays Wyndham Rewards Earned Business CC before your stay begins, maybe you can reach out to Wyndham Rewards and get a 10% rebate (4,500 points).
Enjoy the trip 🙂
Three nights isn’t nearly enough to see this area but you’ll have fun.If you’re a roller coaster fan and plan on visiting Dollywood, the lines thin out a lot as closing time approaches, particularly on weekdays.
I do love roller coasters, but my kids are still too young for that and I’m not yet interested in a return to amusement parks. Someday I’ll check out Dollywood though!
Actually, for this stay, I mostly just look forward to a relaxing few days with my family hanging out in the cabin and enjoying the views. I’m not so much traveling to the area to see and do much — we have plans to try to camp in the Asheville area for a few days with friends who have kids the same age as ours and we have a few more days to play with than our friends do so I looked to see what Vacasa had in the Smokey Mountains figuring that maybe we could extend our trip by a few days. I was really just looking for a place to get away and play with my kids without looking at my phone or computer for a few days and these cabins all looked perfect for that. We’ll do a little hiking and just enjoy getting away for the first time in quite a while. Can’t wait!
I am surprised after looking that I can find so many 1-bedroom places that sleep 6 and allow 2 dogs. Granted they may not all be bookable with Wyndham points, but it certainly looks interesting. And many of these properties – close to hiking or boating or nature, as opposed to resorts and amusement parks – are much more up my alley in terms of where I want to go. I share the concern that Brant has, but that just means I better get out and spend the points I have before they devalue it.
Please stop posting about this almost weekly or the sweet spot will soon die….
Not nearly enough people have both access to Wyndham points and the knowledge of this sweet spot to kill it all that soon IMO. I could be wrong, but I really believe this will be around for a while. It definitely won’t be around forever, so get it while it’s hot, but, I’d rather our readers hear about it and get a chance to take advantage of it than just readers of other blogs who will surely write about it in the coming weeks now that Capital One transfers 1:1.
I never knew about this. I will take full advantage when I can (which means 1 capital one card with bonus)!
I try to be the optimist and I couldn’t be happier that you were able to book this stay, but I can’t help feeling that Vacasa/Wyndham will not last or will devalue considerably as word gets out. Congratulations on this big win!!!
Amazing. Thanks for writing this up!