Frequent Miler's latest team challenge, Million Mile Madness, is happening now! Follow us as Greg, Nick, and Stephen compete to earn 1 Million SAS miles by flying 15 airlines before November 23rd. Who will complete the challenge with the most Speed, Affordability, and Style?
Last week I detailed rumors of a new Chase card to be named Chase Sapphire Reserve, and I made a number of predictions about the card. At the time we didn’t have hard proof that the card really existed, but proof and details have since emerged. My own banker confirmed the existence of the card, and Doctor of Credit published actual screenshots of Chase’s internal communication about the card to their bankers.
Here’s what we now know for certain based on screenshots:
- 100K Ultimate Rewards Signup Bonus after $4K spend in 3 months
- 3X Travel & Dining
- Point Value: Use points for travel at 1.5 cents per point value.
- $300 in annual travel credits automatically applied to account for travel purchases charged to card
- Airport Lounge Access (Appears to be Priority Pass Select, but no confirmation yet)
- Global Entry or TSA Pre Fee Credit
- No foreign transaction fee
- Points transferable 1 to 1 to selected airline and hotel programs
Here is additional information from Doctor of Credit’s source:
- Release date: August 21
- Annual Fee:
$450(Now $550 as of January 2020) - Authorized User Fee: $75
- Visa Infinite
The awesome stuff that we didn’t know before
The Sapphire Preferred and Ink Plus cards have long offered 1.25 cents per point value when points are used to purchase travel. Now, we know that the Sapphire Reserve card will offer 1.5 cents per point value. On the heels of learning that the Citi Prestige card next year will lose its 1.6 cents per point value towards AA flights, it’s amazing to learn that Chase’s card will offer nearly that value for all travel booked with points through the Ultimate Rewards travel portal!
The annual $300 Travel credit will be automatically applied, and it appears to be for all travel. If I understand this right, this means that any purchases that code as travel (hotels, airfare, car rentals, cruises, etc.) will be rebated up to $300 per year. If true, this is fantastic. Since the card earns best in class 3X points per dollar for travel, it makes sense to always use the card for travel purchases anyway. In my mind, this effectively reduces the effective annual fee to $150 ($450 – $300 = $150).
Predictions confirmed
In my prior post about this card, I made a number of predictions. Two have been confirmed. I’m particularly proud of the second one:
1) Global Entry Application Fee Rebate
It was pretty obvious that a high end travel card would have this feature, but it’s good to see it confirmed.
2) 1.5 Cents Per Point Value for Travel
I’m pretty surprised that I guessed this one right! I wrote:
A very welcome perk would be if the Chase Sapphire Reserve were to offer 1.5 cents per point value for travel. For Chase customers, that would further distance the card from the Sapphire Preferred (for those wondering if the card is really worth the extra cost), and it would give Prestige and Business Platinum cardholders the sense that switching would not be much of a loss.
Predictions unconfirmed
We’re still waiting to find out about a couple of my other predictions. I figured that the new card would have these benefits:
- Free In-Flight Gogo Wifi: 12 passes per year
- Discount Air Benefit: Save $100 on each 2 (or more) person round trip domestic flight purchased through this website.
I still think that both of these are likely. We’ll see soon.
Update 8/16/16: It appears that both predictions were wrong. At this point I don’t believe that the card will offer either of the two perks listed in this section.
$300 Question Answered
In my prior post, I raised the $300 question: how easy will it be to get the $300 in travel credits each year? I felt that this was important to answer because if it is very easy, then the $450 annual fee is effectively more like $150. I wrote that if it was necessary to contact Chase to get the free credits each time, it would be easy to forget or to simply not want to bother. Fortunately, the answer is that the credits will be automatically applied.
Even better, I had previously assumed that the travel credits were for airline fees only, but a reader wrote to me last week to tell me that the rebate is for all purchases that code as travel! This appears to be confirmed by one of Doctor of Credit’s screenshots which has this text (bolding is mine): “$300 Annual Travel Credit automatically applied to your account for travel purchases charged to your card”
$1200 Question Unanswered
We still don’t know whether authorized users will earn their own $300 in travel credits. I think it is very unlikely, but we can dream.
Is the Chase Sapphire Reserve card worth the $450 $150 fee?
If the annual $300 travel credit is really as easy to get as we now think it is, then it is reasonable to conclude that the Chase Sapphire Reserve card’s effective annual fee is $150. Obviously the card is worth getting for at least one year since the 100K signup bonus alone is worth $1,000 in cash or $1,500 in travel. But, how about after that?
Depending upon where you live and where you regularly travel, you may find the airport lounge benefit valuable or you may find it useless. So, for now, let’s ignore that one. Instead, let’s concentrate on just two benefits: 3X points for travel & dining, and 1.5 cents per point travel value.
3X points for travel & dining: If we compare to the $95 Sapphire Preferred card which earns 2X for travel & dining, then we can see that this card earns 1X extra for all of these purchases. If we assume an average of $500 per month spent on travel & dining, the Sapphire Reserve card would result in an extra 6000 points earned per year compared to the same spend on the Sapphire Preferred. Since those 6,000 points are worth $60 in cash or $90 in travel, the $55 per year difference in annual fees between the two cards is more than justified.
1.5 cents per point travel value: The Chase Sapphire Reserve and the Chase Sapphire Preferred get the same value for points when points are transferred 1 to 1 to airline or hotel programs. The difference is when points are used to pay for travel through the Ultimate Rewards travel portal. In that case, the Sapphire Reserve gets an extra .25 cents per point value. If you redeem points for $600 in travel, the Sapphire Reserve would charge 40,000 points whereas the Sapphire Preferred would charge 48,000 points. The 8,000 point difference between the two cards is worth $80 in cash or $120 in travel. Again, the extra $55 annual fee for the Reserve card over the Sapphire Preferred is easily justified.
Points from other Ultimate Rewards cards become more valuable: Since Chase allows individuals to move points from one of their Chase Ultimate Rewards cards to another, simply having this card makes your existing points more valuable when used to pay for travel.
Sign me up!
I feel like a kid waiting for the candy store to open. I expect that I’ll sign up as soon as the Chase Sapphire Reserve becomes available. I have signed up for a number of Chase cards recently, though, so maybe my wife will sign up first. Or, maybe we’ll both sign up. We’ll see.
Long term there’s no reason for both of us to have the card, but I’m sure we’ll keep one of them. The value proposition here, based upon what we know today, is really good.
[…] a splash with two new Visa Infinite cards: The new Ritz Carlton card and the soon-to-be-released Sapphire Reserve. Both are expensive ($450!), but they make up for that in the first year with spectacular signup […]
Question- If I upgrade my CSP to the CSR, will I still be able to use the travel delay and trip protection benefits from the CSP for travel I’ve already booked and paid for with my CSP?
That’s a great question. Yes, I’m sure that Chase would cover you one way or another but I’m not sure exactly how that would work. Worst case you could probably downgrade back to the CSP in order to get a claim approved if you run into any issues.
[…] I’ve written before about why I think the card is worth keeping long term, but thanks to its huge signup bonus, it’s equally compelling for those who intend to cancel or downgrade in 12 months. Those who travel frequently (including by bus, train, taxi, Uber, etc.), can make use of the card’s $300 in annual travel credits twice in their first membership year. Since the travel credits are available each calendar year, it’s possible to get $600 in travel credits in your first 12 months of card ownership. Combine that with using the 100,000 bonus points for travel at a value of 1.5 cents each and you can get $2,100 worth of travel in exchange for that $450 annual fee. […]
Hi, my wife applied for CSR card today. She should be fine re: 5/24, but is AU on several of my cards (we need to clean that up for oth of us; didn’t realiz previously that was becoming such a factor).
Anyway, when she submitted her application she receive reply that she would receive her card in 7-10 business days if approved. Soon after that she received an email from Chase saying she would be notified of their decision within 30 days, etc.
Is that email message a bad sign? I seem to recall others commenting as much. But wanted to check based on more recent experiences. Thanks.
I don’t think there’s any way to know at this point if its a good or bad sign. My guess is that Chase is simply flooded with applications and so 30 days may be a more accurate estimate.
Thanks.
A related follow up to my initial note, please. I’m presuming cleaning up our AU situation is sound idea…dropping most of those I’m AU on and same for her? I just never paid much attention before and hadn’t read that it was as much of an issue as I have read re: Researve card. Thanks.
I think it only matters if those AU accounts are relatively new. If they are close to 24 months old, then just wait until they are no longer within the sensitive window. If they are pretty new, then make sure not only to drop them but also to have them removed from the credit reports. More here: http://www.doctorofcredit.com/removing-authorized-user-accounts-credit-report/
Good point. You’re a great resource about all this crazy stuff. Thanks.
If I am an authorized user on my wife’s CSR does that preclude me from signing up later for the card as the primary and getting the 100K bonus?
No, you can still sign up and get the bonus
i have 2 questions:
1) can i cancel the card after collecting the second 300 travel credit in the beginning of next year and get the 450 annual fee prorated?
2) if i load my ezpass over the phone 300 by calling ezpass ny, would that count as travel?
1) I don’t think so
2) I don’t know
The following link allows you to apply for the reserve card, however, it doesn’t mention anything about the 100k bonus:
https://applynow.chase.com/FlexAppWeb/renderApp.do?CELL=6227∓SPID=FL3P&PROMO=DF01
What’s your recommendation…shall we go for it OR wait for couple of days … ?
Public links are now available that show the 100K offer. Find the most up to date offer here: https://frequentmiler.com/best-credit-card-sign-up-offers/#ChaseUR
I’m well below the 5/24 (been holding off for the CSP – now will go with the CSR). But I have 5 cards with Chase currently. Have they been known to enforce a limit on the number of accounts an individual can open with them?
No, I haven’t seen them enforce a limit
[…] may remember from other posts that this card was expected to go live on August 21st. The link released on Reddit was nearly a week early. We quickly posted a Quick Deal to let […]
[…] of Credit has published screenshots of what bankers have already been told about the new card. Frequent Miler also said his own banker confirmed existence of the Sapphire Reserve. This is the latest picture of […]
[…] For more info on Sapphire Reserve, see: More awesome news about the Chase Sapphire Reserve […]
I have my first mortgage with Chase. In your opinion is that enough to get the CSR despite being over 5/24 and not being a private client?
I don’t think that a mortgage helps in any way with this.
Hey Greg,
Thanks for your earlier reply. Another question if you don’t mind. Re: relationship with Chase and branch, do you think a second property mortgage with Chase would be treated as a sufficient relationship to help? thanks.
No, I don’t think they count mortgages for that purpose.
Do we know if the $75 fee to add an authorized user is per year or a one time expense?
I expect it to be per year
The large fee cards tend to not fall under the 5/24 rule because they make money on them, esprcially if you keep it. Most will keep this one since they know they won’t be able to get it again.