The Rumored Marriott Bonvoy Brilliant Card. Is it worth $650?

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Recently, news broke about potential upcoming changes to the Marriott Bonvoy Brilliant cardThe Points Guy published details from an American Express survey that sought reactions to very specific proposed changes.  Normally I wouldn’t expect information from a survey to be worth publishing, but there are a few reasons that I think these details may in fact become real.  For one, the survey is incredibly specific about proposed changes — and those changes strike me as plausible.   Secondly, I’ve already been expecting something like this to happen.  Amex has been adding perks and increasing fees on their ultra-premium cards.  Amex recently added perks and increased Platinum card fees from $550 to $695.  Before that, Amex added perks and increased the Delta Reserve card fees from $450 to $550.  I figured that it was only a matter of time before Amex made similar changes to their other ultra premium cards: Marriott Bonvoy Brilliant and Hilton Aspire.  This might just be our first look at what’s going to happen to the Marriott card.

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Rumored changes

Here is a side by side look at the rumored new Bonvoy Brilliant card compared to the current card:

Rumored New Current
Annual Fee $650 $450
Statement Credits $300 Dining ($25 / Month) $300 Marriott Spend
Free Night Award 85K Certificate 50K Certificate
Free Night w/ Spend 85K Cert after $50K Spend N/A
Annual Card Choice Award After $50K Spend: Choose 50K points, 40% bedding discount, gift set, gift Gold status, or 15% off Ritz Yacht Collection N/A
Automatic Elite Status Platinum Elite Gold Elite
Elite Status w/ $75K Spend Titanium Elite Platinum Elite
Automatic Elite Credits 25 Elite Nights 15 Elite Nights
Earnings from Spend Same as current 3X airfare charged by airline; 3X US restaurants, 6X Marriott; 2X on all other eligible purchases
Travel benefits Same as current Priority Pass Select with 2 free guests + Global Entry fee credit

 

85K free night certificates

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The ability to use the card’s free night certificates at properties costing up to 85K points per night would be a huge advantage over the current card’s 50K certs.  50K certs can be used at any hotel up to category 5, category 6 hotels at off-peak or standard pricing, or category 7 hotels at off-peak pricing.  Sometimes you can get great value, but it can also be hard at times to find a desirable property that meets those conditions.  With an 85K cert, though, all category 1-7 hotels will be fair game and even category 8 hotels would be bookable except when peak priced.

In a past analysis, I found that 50K certs were on average worth about $300 towards a 1 night stay in the United States (see: What are Marriott 50K certificates worth?).  While I haven’t yet done the analysis, I’d bet that 85K certs can easily be used for far more value.  For example, the category 8 St. Regis New York is available for 85K points per night every weekday night in October.  Cash rates over the same period are almost always slightly over $1,000 per night.  Similarly, the category 7 Wailea Beach Resort in Maui, Hawaii lists for up to $1,500 per night in February 2022.  You could, instead, use an 85K cert at this property anytime that standard rooms are available (which I found to be the case for many but not all nights in February).

The only downside to having 85K certs instead of 50K certs would be the chance of failing to use the certs at all.  I could easily imagine myself using points instead of free night certificates for 50K or 60K free nights while I hold out for the perfect 85K free night situation which might never surface before the annual cert expires.  It’s absolutely true that 85K certs can be used at hotels that would otherwise cost over $1,000 per night, but that doesn’t mean that your travel patterns will put you in the right place at the right time to get that kind of value.

Comparison Analysis

Here’s a brief analysis of each of the changes:

  • Annual fee: $200 more than before.  Evaluation summary: Negative change.
  • Statement credits: Remains at up to $300 per year but changes from hotel spend to dining and now only credits up to $25 per month.  It will be much easier for people to use the credits when not traveling, but much harder to get all $300 since you would have to make sure to spend at least $25 on dining with the card every month.  While I personally see this as a slight negative over the old credits, I expect that others will see it as an improvement, so I’ll call it a wash. Evaluation summary: Even exchange.
  • Free night award: This is big.  The new product’s ability to use the annual free night at properties costing up to 85,000 points per night means that the free night can at least theoretically be used at any Marriott property in the world.  The only exception is for category 8 properties that are peak priced.  As I described in more detail above (see the section titled “50K vs 85K free night certificates”), 85K certs can often be used at properties that would otherwise cost over $1,000 per night.  The question isn’t whether these certs are theoretically super-valuable — they are.  The question each person should ask is whether they themselves will likely use the certificate towards great value each year.  Personally, I’d target using the certificates at hotels that cost at least $600 per night and I do think it is likely that I’d get at least that much value every year.  Evaluation summary: Very positive change.
  • Benefits with $50K Spend: 85K certificate and Annual Card Choice Award: These perks with $50K annual spend are very interesting!  Usually I don’t recommend spending much on Marriott credit cards because the base earning rate (2 points per dollar) isn’t great when you consider that our current estimated point value (Reasonable Redemption Value) of Marriott points is only 0.62 cents per point.  So, the usual earn rate isn’t worth much more than 1.2%.  Most would be much better off putting their spend on a 2% (or better) cash back card.  If you spend exactly $50K per year, though, on the new card you’ll not only earn 100K Marriott points from spend, but you’ll also earn an 85K free night certificate and a Card Choice Award.  Let’s assume that you pick 50K points as your Card Choice Award.  In that case, the earnings on $50K spend (outside of bonus categories) goes to 3x plus you get the 85K free night cert!  That’s very good and, in my opinion, worth pursuing as long as you’re sure you can put the 85K cert to good use each year.  Evaluation summary: Very positive change for big spenders.
  • Automatic Platinum Elite status:  The current card gives you Gold status, but the new rumored version offers much more valuable Platinum status. Evaluation summary: Very positive change.
    Here’s a comparison chart of elite status levels and associated benefits:
    Elite Status Level Requirements Per Year Key Benefits
    Silver Elite 10 Nights Late checkout, 10% point bonus
    Gold Elite 25 Nights 2PM late checkout; 25% point bonus; welcome gift (points only); room upgrade; enhanced internet
    Platinum Elite 50 Nights 4PM late checkout; 50% point bonus; welcome gift w/ breakfast option; room upgrade includes suites; lounge access; Choice benefit (such as 5 nightly upgrade awards) when you achieve 50 nights.
    Titanium Elite 75 Nights All of the above, plus: 75% point bonus; United Silver Premier status; Air Canada Aeroplan 25K Status; Ritz-Carlton suite upgrades; Additional Choice Benefit (such as 40K free night certificate) when you achieve 75 nights.
    Ambassador Elite 100 Nights + $23K Spend All of the above, plus: Ambassador Service (dedicated Marriott agent); Your24 (Choose the 24 hours of your stay. For example, choose to check in at 9am after an overnight flight).
     
  • Elite Status w/ $75K Spend: The current card gives you the ability to spend your way to Platinum status whereas the rumored new version lets you spend your way to Titanium status.  That’s a nice perk for big spenders.  Arguable, big spenders would want to spend $50K on this card anyway (see above) and so the extra $25K to get to Titanium status may be worth it to some.  Evaluation summary: Positive change for big spenders.
  • Automatic elite credits: Currently all current consumer Marriott cards offer 15 elite nights towards status each year.  If you have multiple consumer Marriott cards, those nights don’t stack: you still only get 15 nights.  Adding in a Marriott business card, though, does stack and so you can currently get 30 elite nights per year by holding both types of cards.  With this proposed change, though, you’d get 25 elite nights each year from this one card, and can get up to 40 elite nights per year if you also hold a Marriott business card.  That’s very nice for those who are working towards Titanium status (which requires 75 nights per year) and who don’t plan to do $75K credit card spend; and/or for those pursuing lifetime Platinum elite status.  Since this new version of the card would offer Platinum elite status automatically, I don’t see the additional 10 nights as a huge win, but it’s still a win.  Plus, by getting to 50 nights each year, cardholders will earn Marriott Choice Benefits which they won’t earn by getting Platinum status automatically.  Evaluation summary: Positive change.

Is it worth $650?

Before looking at the changed card, let’s look at the value proposition of the current Bonvoy Brilliant card.  In exchange for the $450 annual fee, the only material perks (in my opinion) are the $300 in statement credits and the 50K free night certificate.  Those who stay often at Marriott hotels should be able to easily get full value from the $300 in statement credits and so they would only have to get more than $150 in value from the free night certificate each year to make the card worth keeping.  The current 50K free night certificate can easily be used to offset a $300 or more night, so it’s not hard to get good value from the current card.

What about the proposed new card?  Is it worth more than $650 per year? Whether or not the $650 fee is worth paying annually is an individual case by case decision. I recommend looking at each of the major perks and asking yourself: if I could pay separately for a subscription to this thing, how much would I pay? The answer should never be face value: you would never pay $300 in advance to get $300 in dining credits spread out $25 per month, would you? I hope not. You’d only pay in advance if you could get a substantial discount.

Rumored Bonvoy Brilliant value worksheet

If any of these changes come to fruition, I’ll update the “Which Premium Cards are Keepers? Worksheet,” but for now let’s do this manually. Estimate how much you would be willing to pay for each of the following:

  • $300 in dining credits ($25 per month): _______________
  • Annual 85K free night certificate: _______________
  • Perks w/ $50K spend (85K cert + Choice, such as 50K points): ___________
  • Platinum elite status: _________________
  • Titanium elite status with $75K spend: _______________
  • Extra 10 elite nights per year (25 instead of 15): ________________

Add up all of your estimates.  If your estimates total $650 or more, then the rumored new Bonvoy Brilliant card is worth the $650 annual fee.

What is the rumored card worth to Greg?

As I wrote above, each person should come up with their own numbers for how much they’d be willing to pay for each card benefit.  That said, it might be helpful to see how I think about each of these items…

  • $300 in dining credits ($25 per month): $240
    Reason: It will be a minor hassle to make sure to use the dining credits each month, but not a big deal. I’m valuing these credits at $20 per month.
  • Annual 85K free night certificate: $350
    Reason: I’m fairly confident that I’ll get far more than $350 value each year from this certificate, but I wouldn’t want to prepay much more than $350 because there’s always the real risk that I won’t get great value depending upon my travel patterns in any given year.  Plus, since I have points in many programs, $350 cash is close to the maximum I’d consider paying for a hotel night even at a crazy expensive property.
  • Perks w/ $50K spend (85K cert + Choice, such as 50k points): $50
    Reason: Even though I really like the idea of getting these perks with $50K spend, I find it hard to imagine prepaying much for the opportunity to spend $50K.
  • Platinum elite status: $0
    I already have lifetime Platinum elite status so this perk isn’t valuable to me, but I would value it pretty highly otherwise.  Free breakfast alone could be worth many hundreds of dollars depending upon where you stay.
  • Titanium elite status with $75K spend: $0
    I’m lumping together this perk with the next one, so I’ve only assigned value to the next one: “extra 10 elite nights”
  • Extra 10 elite nights per year (25 instead of 15): $50
    I’ve had Marriott Titanium status over the last few years and I’d like to keep it.  This rumored new card has two features that could help: Titanium status with $75K spend or the extra 10 elite nights could get me there.  I expect that each year I would spend $50K with the card (for its other perks) and then evaluate later in the year whether I’ll get to 75 elite nights naturally or if I should spend $25K more.  The reason I didn’t assign a higher value to these paths to Titanium status is that Titanium status only has minor advantages over Platinum status (and I have lifetime Platinum status).  Still, I do like those advantages (such as the ability to get suite upgrades at Ritz properties and free United Silver elite status).
  • My total: $690

Since the amount I’d be willing to pay is more than the rumored new annual fee, this card would be worth the annual fee to me.

Bottom Line

If the changes to the Bonvoy Brilliant card play out as rumored, I think that many will find that the $650 annual fee is actually worth paying.  That said, it pales in comparison with the current $450 Hilton Aspire card which offers up to $500 per year in statement credits, plus top-tier Hilton diamond status, plus an uncapped free weekend night each year.

The rumored Bonvoy Brilliant card wouldn’t be for those looking for free travel.  It’s impossible to describe $650 (minus $300 in statement credits) as “free”.  Instead, it would be a good choice for those who are willing to pay a significant amount annually in order to get a good deal on high-end luxury accommodations.

What do you think?  If the rumors come true, will the card be for you?  Would you pay $650 per year or would you drop it like a hot potato (if you’re a current cardmember)?

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VIS

Hopefully nothing will happen till next year. Card is already giving $20 monthly restaurant credit.

Tom

We have both the Amex Platinum and Amex Brilliant, and are now in the position of deciding whether to keep both, dump one, or dump both. I do like that the rumored changes for the Brilliant will be relevant to us as Marriott customers. The recent Platinum changes are useless to us as travelers, though we fly Delta a lot, so the lounge access has been a big benefit to us. Ugh.

Last edited 3 years ago by Tom
Leo

I thought you wrote all these for readers like us and not for yourself. So how much worth for someone with no status? How much is the total value of all the perks combined? That’s what we wanted to read not in your case

Reno Joe

Leo, to save you the frustration and heartache, the big contention is that individual properties within a given hotel loyalty program often do not honor tier status benefits or have found ways to devalue them. Anecdotally, one might receive benefits. But, on average, tier status benefits are a hollow promise.

So, if you’re looking at this card (or any other hotel loyalty program co-branded card), YOU have to look at the $300 statement credit and the 85k certificate. My sense is that’s the only value YOU would garner from this card. Depending on the specific category 8 property, the 85k certificate might reasonably be worth $500 to $1000.

Yes, the cash-equivalent benefits can exceed the $650 annual fee. But, if that’s all one is getting, isn’t there something better on which to spend your time and effort?

G money

150k introductory signup bonus and yeah I will give it a go first year.

Josh

you got it – haha

Reno Joe

Simply holding the card for life would give someone platinum elite status for life.

As such, one would stiffed on platinum elite status benefits for life.

And, they make you pay to get stiffed on elite status benefits.

Nice racket.

==========

One can play the game of weighing the $650 versus the card’s benefits.

Don’t.

Find a more productive use of your time.

Charlie
  1. The cheap shot at Greg about card mongering was TOTALLY unjustified! FM folks are almost the only straight shooters in the travel blogging game.
  2. I’ve been playing this game for a long time (4 diamonds, 1 Platinum, and 1 Spire) and in my opinion the last really good Marriott offer was the travel packages during the Starwood fiasco. The amount of effort it required, since Marriott didn’t have its act together, was onerous. That said, I got 500k Alaska miles and 4 weeks lodging.
  3. I’m in the minority, but I usually prefer to stay in hotels that offer a clean bed, friendly staff and customers that live in the real world rather than entitled rich folks who traveled and easier road to success. I can afford a Ferrari, but like Scandinavians I feel that conspicuous consumption is a negative trait.
Brutus

I feel that humblebragging is a negative trait

Esquiar

For me it comes down to whether I can justify spending $50k per year. If the 85k cert is worth $350, then 150k Bonvoy points has to be worth more than (opportunity cost – $350). With BofA returning 2.62%, spending $50k is like buying 150k points at 0.64 cpp. If BofA devalues Plat Honors, then opp cost becomes 2.25%, and suddenly the price of “buying” the points drops to 0.52 cpp, much better.

escot

No doubt the amex/marriott sales people will much appreciate this post. Nice try, though I’m rather annoyed you presume it’s a done deal. Hope not. If so, I’m so outta here. ps, I like the current dining credit, and when you flagged it for us, it helped me keep the card another year thru covid… But as a new “benefit,” to replace the $300 spend… absolute non-starter.

Frank

I hope it doesnt happen. There are way too many Platinums and Titaniums who earned status the hard way and this will dilute access to suites. Not only that but also, its hard enough to deal with breakfast as a Titanium member at Marriott hotels, cannot image hotels extending free breakfast to all that many Platinums with a credit card.

Matt G

Really good point Frank. Reminds me of what happened to the Delta Sky Club when they let everyone in. It’s better now, but I dumped Amex Platinum bc it’s still not great if live in a hub city and have mostly direct flights.

Joseph N.

Well, I had to read almost to the end of the comments, but I finally found a comment about the Titanium status.

As a Titanium, I’ll say most of us agree that in IRL Titanium status has little benefit above Plat status.

However, one advantage that Marriott has over Hilton is that guests have to walk the walk, stay the nights to get top tier status. As opposed to Hilton, which has lounges bursting at the seems with credit card elites.

If American Express lets members buy their way to Titanium status I’m sure it will become even harder for the rest of us to get the benefits we’ve earned.

Last edited 3 years ago by Joseph N.
Neil

Interesting that you’d consider this hypothetical package of perks worth an Amex slot based on getting $690 value from the $650 annual fee. I’m sure the card is worth signing up for, but to keep I usually want more annual value than $50.

This hypothetical package definitely has some value to those of us who struggle to qualify for status each year (rather than someone who has lifetime platinum like Greg). I’d value the 85K certificate less than you for the reason Anthony points out – it is most useful only if staying somewhere for a maximum of one night.

In any case I’d love to hear your thoughts on what an Amex slot is worth and whether that changes your conclusion – by the time you get to a 5th card is $40 in benefits the best you can do? Recognizing of course that the marginal utility of different Amex cards will vary for each person …

Matt G

The individual owners of Marriott Hotels are not bought into Bonvoy. Even at Ambassador level I can never actually use suite night upgrades and I only receive room upgrades of one level (looking at you Swan/Dolphin, W Hotels in general). Constant battle and a cat / mouse game. I’m dumping this card if it goes to $650, like I did with Platinum when it jumped. I’ll keep the Business version due to the low fee while I burn off 1.7 million points. I’ll need to find an ok visa travel card before I cancel Amex/Marriott. Would love thoughts on the hotel chain reward program that the owners buy into (and therefore you guys/us).

Matt G

Forgot about Atlantis in the Bahamas. Someone should start a site to document the bad-actor owners.

Joe S.

Hyatt chase Visa card is fantastic

Brutus

If this card came out as described here, I’d be sorely tempted to get it and spend $50,000 per year on it. Two 85K certs and a minimum of 150,000 points per year sounds pretty good to me.

Paul

These changes would make it easier to get Platinum status for life.

Matt G

Good point, especially if you’re close. I would not do it if 5-10 years out though.

T. Jones

Agreed. And this would be an incentive for me to keep the card too (at least a few more years until I hit lifetime). Each year, I’ve been dedicating my stays to Marriott in order to maintain platinum. Having platinum status automatically would give me the opportunity to become more of a free agent.

The switching of Marriott credit to dining credit is largely a wash for me, but I can understand why some may feel otherwise. It further incentivizes my free agency mentioned above. If someone is interested in using the card to gain more brand loyalty, changing this benefit seems contraindicated.

I value a 35K, 50K, and the prospective 85K at the same price point since the max I’m willing to pay for a hotel room is a set number. Therefore increasing from 50K to 85K provides no additional incentive. I’m certainly not going to spend $50,000 to get a second cert.

The 25 elite night credit on it’s own doesn’t move the needle much. With gratuitous platinum status, it’s largely redundant unless you really want to make that push for the marginally better titanium status.

So is all that worth an extra $200/year?

My answer: Maybe, but I’m just not sure the juice is worth the squeeze.

Last edited 3 years ago by T. Jones
Tom

I’ll downgrade this one if these changes happen.
I hate the restaurant credits dribbled out every month when compared to the $300 Marriott credit.
Elite status at general at Marriott seems to be worth very little these days with all the “COVID” cutbacks and the writing on the walls is that’s not likely to change quickly.
I have lifetime platinum already…. Since there is no lifetime titanium I gave nothing to work for so extra nights is worthless to me. The years I’ve been titanium the difference between titanium and platinum — even pre-COVID — gas not been great anyways.
I’d never put $50K spend on a Marriott card with its weak earning structure.
The high value very is tempting but it’s one night and the one expiration limits it’s usefulness significantly.

Gabriel

Is the Ritz doing free breakfast for Platinum members yet? I know they’ve been stingy with it in the past.

Jumbo

Nope

Matt G

Part of the cat and mouse game of benefits. Ritz charges $800+ a night now, you’d think they’d just make it the same as St. Regis.