How to earn American Airlines Loyalty Points without flying (Cheat Sheet to play the elite status game)

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American Airline elite status will be easier than ever to get this year for those willing to do a little legwork from the comfort of their couches. This is because on March 1, 2022, American Airlines will debut a new simplified system for earning status: Loyalty Points. The good news for us is that in addition to earning Loyalty Points by flying, those coveted American Airlines Loyalty Points can also be earned by shopping through the American Airlines AAdvantage eShopping portal or using American Airlines SimplyMiles card-linked offers. This post will be our regularly-updated cheat sheet listing the best of these offers and what you need to know to trigger them with low effort and high reward.

We intend to update this post regularly.

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Why are we playing this game?

If you’ve stumbled on this post about easy ways to earn American Airlines AAdvantage Loyalty Points but you aren’t sure why some of us are interested in playing the game, see this post: AA’s Loyalty Point Pursuit game: Earn status w/out flying.

Here’s how to keep score

If you want to play along with us in the quest to attain easy AA elite status, see this post: Keep score with the AA Loyalty Game Scorecard.

What works for earning American Airlines Loyalty Points? What doesn’t?

This section will be updated regularly based on my own experiment results and info from readers…

Official Tools for Earning American Airlines Loyalty Points

As we reported separately, the following non-flight activities earn Loyalty Points:

One Mile at a Time reports that the following DO NOT earn Loyalty points:

  • Buying, gifting, or transferring miles
  • Government taxes, fees, and other charges associated with buying airline tickets
  • Conversion of another program currency to AAdvantage miles
  • AAdvantage credit card welcome bonuses don’t qualify, and neither do accelerators such as extra miles for category bonuses
  • Miles earned with Bask Bank

Deal stacking: What works?

  • Two similar SimplyMiles offers.  Sometimes you’ll see multiple offers on SimplyMiles for the same merchant but with slightly different terms.  If you can meet the terms of both offers with one purchase, you’ll get both bonuses.  People have reported success with this with Best Buy.
  • Stack SimplyMiles card linked offer with Citi Merchant Offers for same merchant.
  • Stack AA eShopping portal with SimplyMiles (and with Citi Merchant Offers).
  • Stack Amex Offers with AA eShopping portal (note that you can’t stack Amex Offers with SimpyMiles since SimplyMiles only accepts Mastercards)
  • Meet SimplyMiles spend requirement with sales tax even if terms say no to taxes.  Tested successfully with the following merchants: Spot & Tango
  • Completing an offer multiple times is sometimes possible. For example, when the AAdvantage eShopping portal was offering miles for prepaid Verizon accounts (since expired), I was able to open multiple prepaid accounts and get the miles for each one

Deal stacking: What doesn’t work?

  • Byte Citi Merchant Offer for $100 back (on a ~$100 purchase)
  • Stacking Future Fitness Amex Offer with AAdvantage portal (both require clicking through special links. Copying and pasting one link after clicking through the other did not work).
  • Just Food For Dogs: This AA eShopping portal offer has not been paying out miles for small purchases as expected.

Easy American Airlines Loyalty Points Offers

This post will have offers organized alphabetically under three headings:

  • Current AAdvantage Loyalty Point Offers: All of the current opportunities for easy miles.
  • Avoid These Offers: This section is dedicated to offers that look good but aren’t either because some component does not work as expected or because better deals are frequently available.
  • Expired Offers: The graveyard for the ghosts of offers past.

Deals with a cost of 1c per mile or less that at least one thumb up (👍). Exceptional deals get two thumbs up (👍👍).

Current American Airlines Loyalty Points Offers

Barron’s: 1000 miles 👍

Source: AAdvantage eShopping Portal (link)

Valid through: Unknown.

Offer: 1000 miles with initial subscription once per AAdvantage account.

Cheat sheet:

  • Eligible on one subscription per loyalty account number AAdvantage account (per the terms, you can’t sign up for it again even for another person through the same AAdvantage account)
  • Subscription must remain active for 45 days. Schedule an email reminder if you want to remind yourself to decide whether or not to keep it.
  • MarketWatch (which also has an offer) includes access to Barron’s and doesn’t have the 45-day terms, but I believe it should be possible to do both if you use different email addresses,
  • Terms note an 8 week trial for $1, but I don’t see that after clicking through. The cheapest option appears to be the Digital Subscription offer for $4 per month for the first year, cancel any time. You’d be on the hook for $8 for two months to reach the 45 days required. There is also a “$1 for 4 weeks” option under Print & Digital, but I believe the monthly charge for your second month (required to keep the subscription active for 45 days) would be $30, so better to go all digital.
  • Note that this has been available for 1500 miles in the past, so it might be worth waiting.

Bright Cellars: 3,000 miles

Source: AAdvantage eShopping Portal (link)

Valid through: Unknown

Offer: 3000 miles with order through AAdvantage eShopping with first time initial wine club new membership

Cheat sheet:

  • Clicking through AA should give you 4 bottles for $38 + tax (came to $41.04 in my state).
  • Members who have previously subscribed are not eligible.
  • Note that you have to take their “wine quiz” to get your “suggestions”. You can then switch out wines if you don’t like the suggested wines, but the price does not change and you can only switch each recommendation once. You don’t get to pick the replacement, their algorithm does (though in my case I tried replacing one and got a wine that was rated higher on Vivino than any of the other bottles recommended). I did not complete the order as I don’t need the wine.
  • Keep in mind that this is a subscription. Not sure how tough it is to cancel.

Blooom: 1200 miles 👍👍

Source: AAdvantage eShopping Portal (link)

Valid through: Unknown.

Offer: 1200 miles with fist time analysis only (appears to be valid with initial portfolio analysis, no purchase required)

Cheat sheet:

  • All you need to do is link some sort of retirement account (401k, IRA, etc).
  • No credit card information or commitment is required
  • I tried this with an IRA that had no money in it and got an error that it requires further review.
  • You do need to log in via Blooom, so consider whether or not you want to share login credentials and grant potential access to information

Byte: 2500 miles 👍

Source: AAdvantage Shopping Portal (link)

Valid through: Unknown

Offer: Earn 2,500 miles with purchase of the $14.95 Impression Kit (note that this only works with the Impression Kit)

Cheat sheet:

  • Only valid on the $14.95 Impression Kit and only on first purchase
  • Note that there is a Citi Merchant Offer for $100 back and a SimplyMiles offers, but those offers have not posted for readers. Just get the $14.95 Impression Kit for an easy 2,500 miles.

Naked Wines: 3,700 miles with first purchase

Source: AAdvantage eShopping Portal (3700 miles) + Amex Offer ($40 back on $79+)

The problem: Many readers have had the miles clawed back and it isn’t clear how to avoid clawback. See comments around here (including before and after that comment).

Marketwatch: 1000 miles 👍

Source: AAdvantage eShopping Portal (link)

Valid through: Unknown.

Offer: 1000 miles with initial subscription.

Cheat sheet:

  • Only eligible on one subscription per household. (Not sure what happens if you subscribe for someone else’s household?)
  • Not eligible on any free products, trials, services, membership, subscriptions, and retailer marketing subscriptions. Note that some readers have already reported success with the 4 weeks for $1 trial despite the terms.
  • Note that this has been available for 1500 miles in the past, so it might be worth waiting.

Pimsleur Language Programs: 1,000 total miles 👍👍

Source: AAdvantage eShopping Portal (link)

Valid through: Unknown

Offer: Earn 1,000 bonus AAdvantage miles and Loyalty Points when getting a free trial for Pimsleur Language Programs via the AAdvantage eShopping portal.

More info: Pimsleur Language Programs: Easy 1,000 American Airlines Miles & Loyalty Points.

Cheat sheet:

  • Terms state that this offer is valid for online subscriptions. A reader reached out to say that they took out a 7-day free trial subscription and received the 1,000 miles. There is obviously some chance of clawback if you don’t get a paid subscription, but YMMV.
  • Note that there have been some reports of clawbacks, but not for everyone.

Spot & Tango: 3,450 total miles 👍👍

Source: AAdvantage eShopping Portal (link) + SimplyMiles (link) + Citi Merchant Offers stack or Chase Offer stack

Valid through: Unknown for portal. SimplyMiles offer expires 2/28/22

Offer: 2,500 for your first order through AAdvantage eShopping, 930 miles with $25+ order from SimplyMiles card-linked offer.

More info: AA’s Loyalty Point Pursuit game: Earn status w/out flying

Cheat sheet:

  • Order total for a 10lb dog should come to about $25 with sales tax
  • Requires a recurring subscription, but after ordering you can immediately change the next delivery to be 3 months away (to give plenty of time to cancel if you don’t want to keep the service)
  • Stacking options:
    • Citi Merchant Offers: $20 back on $25+ (stack with SimplyMiles)
    • SimplyMiles: 930 miles with $20+ purchase
    • Chase Offer for $15 back on $25+ (stack with SimplyMiles if you have this on a Mastercard)
  • Example cost: $25.71 order – $0.51 credit card rewards (2% with Double Cash) =  $5.20 net cost. Total miles = 2,500 + 930 = 3430. Final cost is $5.20 / 3450 =  0.15 cents per LoyaltyMile

Sunbasket: 3,700 to 4,700 miles 👍

Source: AAdvantage eShopping Portal (link). Sack with SimplyMiles (link) and Citi Merchant Offers or stack with targeted Amex Offer (enrollment required)

Valid through: Unknown

Offer: Get 3,700 miles with your first Sunbasket order through AAdvantage eShopping

More info: 3,700 American Airlines Miles & Loyalty Points With Sunbasket; Stack W/ Amex & Card-Linked Offers

Cheat sheet:

  • Note that Swagbucks alternatively offers $75 back and MyPoints offers 12,000 points (worth a similar amount), so this offer may not be the best for you.
  • Stacking options:
    • Amex Offers (stack with shopping portal and Collinson card-linked offers below)
      • : $12 back on $65+
      •  $25 back on $50+ (better deal for those targeted)
    • SimplyMiles (Mastercards only, stack with shopping portal and possible stack with Citi merchant Offers and collinson offers below): 1,000 miles on $65+
    • Citi Merchant Offers (stack with shopping portal, SimplyMiles, Collinson offers below): $20 back on $65+
    • Collinson card-linked offers (choose one and link card before purchase):
      • Caesars Rewards Marketplace – 1,080 points (link)
      • Choice Privileges Online Mall – 780 points (link)
      • Emirates Skywards – 540 miles (link)
      • JetBlue TrueBlue Shopping – 540 points (link)

The Wall Street Journal: 1000 miles

Source: AAdvantage eShopping Portal

Valid through: Unknown.

Offer: 1000 miles with initial subscription once per AAdvantage account

Cheat sheet:

  • Eligible on one subscription per loyalty account number AAdvantage account (per the terms, you can’t sign up for it again even for another person through the same AAdvantage account)
  • Subscription must remain active for 45 days. Schedule an email reminder if you want to remind yourself to decide whether or not to keep it. Should work well with the 12 weeks for $12 plan.
  • Note that this has been available for 1500 miles in the past, so it might be worth waiting.

Visible Mobile: 2,000 miles + profit 👍👍

Source: AAdvantage eShopping portal (2000 miles – link) + $200 gift card offer (for porting a line – link to more info)

Valid through: 2/2/22

Offer: Get 2,000 miles when you join Visible Mobile as a new customer. Additionally, Visible Mobile has an offer to get a $200 gift card when you port a line and maintain service for 3 months.

More info: Money-maker: American Airlines miles + profit with Visible Mobile

Cheat sheet:

  • The portal offer through AA should stack here, though note other portals offer rewards that may be more valuable to you
  • Visible has a concurrent offer to get a $200 gift card of your choice (options include Mastercard, Amazon, Best Buy, and more types of gift cards) when you port a line and maintain service for at least 3 months.
  • There is also a Chase Offer for $25 back on $25
  • With PartyPay, you could pay as little as $25 a month for your 3 months, making this a $125-$150 money-maker before the miles.
  • See our post for more info

Winc Wines: 2,500 miles 👍👍

Source: AAdvantage eShopping Portal (1500 miles – link) + SimplyMiles (link) (1,000 miles) + Citi Merchant Offer

Valid through: Unknown for portal. SimplyMiles offer expires 1/31/22

Offer: 1500 miles with order through AAdvantage eShopping (no minimum purchase). 1K Miles from SimplyMiles with $29.96 new member offer. $20 back on $30 from Citi merchant Offers.

More info: AA’s Loyalty Point Pursuit game: Earn status w/out flying

Cheat sheet:

  • Order the new offer that’s good for four bottles of wine for $29.96.
  • With tax, your total will likely be more than $30 to trigger the Citi Merchant Offer. If you have no tax, click “I want to choose my own wines” and find a bottle that costs $1 more.
  • Stacking options:
    • AAdvantage portal: 1500 miles with purchase
    • SimplyMiles (Mastercard only): 1,000 miles with new member offer of $29.96
    • Citi Merchant Offer: $20 back on $30+
    • Net cost = ~$10 for 2500 miles (0.4 cents per Loyalty Point).
  • Note that this offer may be repeatable

Avoid these offers

Bespoke Post: 1200 miles

Source: AAdvantage eShopping Portal (link)

Offer: 1200 miles with initial sign-up

The problem: Several readers have reported getting the miles clawed back after skipping the first delivery (and without cancelling the account). See this comment and replies to it.

Blue Apron

Source: AAdvantage eShopping Portal.

Offer: 1,000 miles with first order

The problem: Despite a stacking opportunity with SimplyMiles, offers are regularly available through other portals for $50 or more (see Swagbucks, MyPoints, and Ibotta), which makes the potential mileage return here less attractive unless you really need these miles to reach the next level.

Thrive Market

Source: AAdvantage eShopping Portal.

Offer: 20 miles per $1

The problem: 20 miles per dollar only eligible on the membership fee, not on groceries.

Just Food for Dogs

Source: AAdvantage eShopping Portal.

Offer: 1,200 miles with first purchase

The problem: Quite a few readers have tried this one and none have reported success in getting the miles. See this comment and replies to it.

Motley Fool

Source: AAdvantage eShopping Portal (link) + SimplyMiles offer (link to SimplyMiles)

Stack: Some have a Citi Merchant Offer for $50 back on $99, which should stack with both SimplyMiles and the AAdvantage shopping portal. Alternatively, some have an Amex Offer for $50 back on $99, but that will not stack with SimplyMiles since SimplyMiles only links with Mastercards.

The problem: The Motley Fool has reached out to say that the airline portal offers can not be combined with card-linked offers. They seem focused on making sure that people don’t get both, so it’s likely that something will get clawed back here.

Expired Offers

Babylist: 1,000 miles (no purchase req)

Source: AAdvantage eShopping Portal

Valid through: Unknown

Offer: Get 1,000 miles when you create a baby registry.

Cheat sheet:

  • Note that this can be done whether or not you are currently expecting. For instance, you could select that you are “still trying”.
  • No purchase necessary.
  • Miles pending within a day or two and deposited at AAdvantage within a day or two thereafter

Verizon: 6,200 miles with a prepaid line

Source: AAdvantage eShopping Portal. Stack with Chase Offer (net cost ~$14) or Amex Offer (net cost ~$3)

Valid through: 1/19/22

Offer: Get 6,200 miles with new prepaid service.

More Info: 6200 American Airlines miles / Loyalty Points with Verizon (including prepaid). Stack w/ offers.

Cheat Sheet: 

  • Cheapest plan comes to about $39 with tax with autopay discount or $44 without Autopay.
  • Targeted Chase / Bank of America Offer for $30 back on $40 brings net cost to about $14, varies slightly due to tax).
  • Targeted Amex Offer on some business cards is good for $75 back on $75 (cost of two lines was about $78 with tax, net $3 after or single line on highest plan came out to a similar amount with a $5 hotspot add-on).
  • Caution: some readers have orders track but fail to post points. Others have received a “payment declined” error only to find the next day that their payment was charged and order completed after all. Proceed with caution and see the comments in the post linked under “More Info” above.
  • When this works, miles post very quickly (usually pending 1 day after order ships and deposited into AAdvantage account the day after that).
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B.R.

Discovery+ 1200 aa miles
$5 month stack with chase offer for $3 back

Dennis

Will this track even with the 7 day free trial? Signed up last night and no signs of it tracking

B.R.

For me it tracked after the 7 day trial and being charged $5

N B

Verizon is back to 6200 miles, any other discounts available to stack on to the deal?

Sam

While it doesn’t exclude PREPAID, it does state it doesn’t apply to BRING YOUR OWN DEVICE I believe. Let me know if this does work for your or not

Lillian N.

AA Dining Welcome Bonus of 1000 miles – I ordered online through ChowNow and received the points for that order. However there was not an option to write a review, I wonder if I still get my bonus of 1000 miles. OR I need to buy in restaurant to fulfill the requirement? Any DP on this?

Sammy

Note that AA Dining bonuses typically don’t count as Loyalty Points.

Last edited 18 days ago by Sammy
Sam

Miles from January for the Verizon Deals are finally showing up as Pending as of 04/22/2022. Not sure what that means and hopefully they do end up paying those out.

Lillian N.

Just did the Verizon deal as it was 6500 miles. I opened a prepaid plan. Did you activate and use the SIM or just ignore it when it was delivered? And do you have to cancel after the first month? I didn’t do auto pay so I assume they will just terminate my number after the 1st month (?)

Lillian N.

Thanks! I’ll report back in a few days after the SIM delivery .

Sam

As Nick mentioned he didn’t activate but I did. I never expected to get the miles at all but after 3.5 months they all got paid out. Took a small risk and it paid off. Almost to top status. I am curious as well to see if your miles do post this time based on it being Prepaid. Thanks

Sam

Sorry but I responded to Nick’s reply to you below.

Vince

Verizon Business: 14900 miles. can port over a device for a $20 per month plan minimum 45 days. Terms don’t explicity say whether or not that works, I imagine it would as it is a new purchase (of a plan). However currently struggling to complete the deal (along with the chat guy) as the form does not allow you to have your SSN as both the EIN and the SSN used for credit check. So most sole proprietors like myself this may not work.

He is now going to send me a business verification form via email…I bet this blows up the whole deal though

Sammy

Where did you find the $20/month port over plan? I’m not seeing anything near that price for one line.

Vince

Trying to recreate the steps without having my IMEI in front of me, but I clicked on the top offer on the AA Eshopping page; then clicked on ‘have a phone you love?’, and I recall picking the $30 ‘business unlimited tablet starter’ plan, declined protections etc, and it came to $20, which I was surprised to see. I would have been happy with $30 if it worked for me

Sammy

Was your IMEI for a tablet?

I followed your steps but only see options for phone plans when I enter my phone details.

Vince

yes

elk

Did the verification form work out?

Vince

did not do it. There was no way it was going to track, and I did not want to send sensitive info such as SSN via a regular email. It was not a secure form/link.

elk

Ah ok. Thanks for the clarification and info. I wouldn’t do either. Guess this is a no go for sole prop.

Sammy

Thanks – so I signed up with a tablet IMEI, an EIN, and SSN for the soft credit check. What a nightmare of a website!

The ID verification page (where you securely upload a copy of your license) wouldn’t load in Safari. Switched to Firefox and after numerous tries (the anti-fraud features on driver’s licenses make it difficult to get a clean, clear image) got it to verify. Then it wanted me to e-sign an agreement but the page wouldn’t load.

Switched to Chrome, started the process again, and managed to sign and complete set up of my account. Hopefully, after all this hassle it pays off.

Sam

Please let me know if your miles post. Thanks

Nun

Hi Nick, In the last podcast you said you’re ~45k from platinum pro. I’m curious to know where you earned the ~80k. I assume your multiple Verizon offers paid out eventually. I quickly earned 35k and then stalled. (Haven’t done wine offers though, and I know there’s easy pickings there.) Thanks.

Eric

Has anyone had any issues with the Winc Wines Simply Miles offer stacking with the eShopping portal offer? I see on SM it mentions a special link “http://www.trywinc.com/simplymiles”

Stasio

No problem for me, used the link from eShopping and both posted.

Eric

Great to know. Thank you!

Stasio

Discovery+ is at 600 miles, stack with Chase for $3 back for net cost of $1.99

Sammy

Just one caution on this, D+ automatically gives you a 7 day trial before it charges you. Unfortunately, my Chase offer expires in 6 days.

Lillian N.

Restaurants.com is 30 miles/dollar. Any DPs on this merchant?

Lillian N.

Green Chef is 2500 now. Anyone has any DP on them?

Lillian N.

I placed an order on Green Chef yesterday – to be delivered next week and the points are showing up as Pending today! Total cost was ~$41 for 6 meals. I will cancel after the first delivery.

Lillian N.

Received my first delivery yesterday and they had already charged for the second week when I deactivated my account (~$73). Just a heads up to skip 2nd week so you can have time to cancel.

Nun

My GreenChef paid out, and I liked the recipes more than some of the other services I tried. Only issue in keeping it is value/cost.

JCN

Verizon deal is back at 6,200 for a prepaid line. This time it’s $40 if you pay for only 1 month. Deals are getting harder to come by, I’m going to jump on it!

Amanda

I’m not seeing that deal. Is it just the VZW offer and you do a prepaid line instead? Thanks!

Sammy

There’s also the $35 talk and text plan for one month.

Sam

Would like to know as well since the latest Verizon Offer does exclude Bring Your Own Device I believe. Not sure if this will work anymore on Prepaids if bringing your own device. Verizon has been good to me after they paid out but wanted to give it another try to see if it would work again with that language

Michelle (Free Fam Travel)

Good news on Verizon. My Verizon miles didn’t post originally. I submitted an inquiry (twice). The second one finally got a response: “ I am following up today to let you know that Verizon order: 91865103888A was added to your account.
Please allow 7-10 days for it to post.”

effie

did it post? still nothing on mine

Eric

Barron’s is up to 1300 miles today, fyi. I had been waiting for it to go up, so I jumped on it today with the $12/12 weeks deal.

Brian

Laithwaites wine so far has not paid out, 3000 points bonus, and it’s been six weeks already since received. Sent an inquiry to AA shopping but nothing yet. Any similar problems?

Andrew

Got mine, no issue.

Lillian N.

I scrolled through and tried to find any DPs for HelloFresh, but didn’t see any. Current offer is 2000 points and it seems like the first delivery comes out to be ~$36. Anyone tried HelloFresh and had any problems?

Dan

I placed my first order on March 1. The total was about $36 and the 2000 points posted pretty quickly. No problems, other than one that is probably my fault. I immediately skipped the 2nd order but didn’t skip the 3rd week. HelloFresh didn’t email a reminder about the 3rd week’s shipment so I ended up paying for that one without the opportunity to think about skipping or adjusting the menu for that shipment.

Lillian N.

Thank you for sharing this. I’ll place an order next week because I have Sunbasket coming this week lol.

Michelle (FreeFamTravel)

This is low lying fruit, but in case it helps anyone, Safeway, Vons & Albertsons all have miles in the portal for ordering groceries online. It mixes really well with the grocery apps & is easy to do. Right now it is 2x AA miles, but I’ve seen it go higher (or lower to 1x). With my family of 5 this really adds up and picking up the groceries is free and faster, for me, than going into the store.

Eric

Tom Thumb (same parent company) here and yes, it really does help. Several hundred points per week.

loardnikon

Does anyone know if you request missing miles and they are approved, will those count as Loyalty Points? I haven’t had any this year but last year they posted as “ASM Customer Service Bonus” under “Bonus Miles.”

vstanley

No…had one approved last month, and it was posted as bonus miles.

JohnofCharleston

This may have changed after March 1st; it worked for me just this week. I missed miles from a transaction in early February that went through but didn’t track. Submitted the documentation to AAdvantageShopping. Once they got it sorted out (which took weeks), the miles posted in the “miles earned” list and looked like a regular transaction. They then showed up in my AA account as base miles, with Loyalty Points.

Amanda

I booked a hotel through AA Hotels… called the property to confirm we’d be a late arrival, and found out the reservation had been canceled, and we weren’t notified. Something with AA’s (booking.com?) payment. Trying to move me to another property or pay 5x more for what I originally booked. Reasons I don’t like 3rd party booking… I was just trying to get some more LP. Sigh.

Jeremy

There is a Cinch Home Services promo under SimplyMiles for 2325 miles on a purchase. Does anyone know if the monthly subscription of $27.99 (plus applicable taxes) is easily cancellable after the first month? It looks like you have to call to cancel.

Spud

i didn’t see that at all (i check every few days). do you think they are targetting certain offers?

prpilot17

I tried stacking this with the citi merchant offer of $50 back on any purchase. I assume you can cancel after the first month, but might be a bit of a gamble.

Timothy

So did it work out for you?

prpilot17

Yes, 2,325 miles on simplymiles posted last week and $34.99 (which is what I paid) credit posted on 4/21. So 2,325 miles free, but I didn’t get the whole $50

JN2

I only have only done two free offers (Babylist 1/18 and Pimsleur one week trial 1/30). In both cases, the eShopping miles (1000 each) later were clawed back. As of March 3, my account is showing 2000 loyalty points. I assume these will be reversed as well, but I’m kind of surprised they posted at all.

Troy

This is all so exploitable, I imagine they’ll have to police this and shut people down eventually. Nothing is stopping someone from buying something for status, using the status on a flight and then returning it.

Spud

I got a bonus of 6000 loyalty miles yesterday. I have no idea why. Did anyone get something similar?
It simply stated ‘Mar 2, 2022, PROMOTION BONUS, Award Miles:0, Loyalty Points:6,000

Dawson

I received something similar and am unsure the reason for it

Brooks

I got a “bonus” but I think it was just the loyalty points I have accumulated in January and February this year. That is, it was (roughly) the number I expected.

Matt

Pretty frustrated. I actually signed up for Pimsleur (with legitimate intent to learn French) about three weeks ago. Tracking on Eshopping, but not showing any miles. I opened a ticket with AA, who asked for a receipt of sorts. However, any payment confirmation is nowhere to be found in my email or on their site.

Richard

Pimsleur miles clawed back this morning. Did the one week free, cancelled. Miles were there for several weeks. Oh well, easy come, easy go.

Lars

Pending clawback on the Pimsleur free week as well… three weeks after posting.

Richard

I don’t know if this was always there, but under the Mileage Terms on the linking page, it says “Free trials are not eligible”, so the cheapest way to get the 1000 miles is to sign up for $14.95 a month. That’s 1.5 cents a mile! No thanks!

Dan

The “free trials are not eligible” language was not there in January, so they added it more recently.

amanda

Looks like a lot of the promos here carried over; Woke up to 24xxx loyalty points.

Alex

Nothing like waking up to zero loyalty points…

Dan

Wall Street Journal is up to 1500 miles, and they have a $4/month subscription that they advertise as being available through tomorrow (March 1).

Dan

I just jumped on WSJ Wines as the offer went up to 3,000 AA miles through the shopping portal. 12 bottles of wine plus 2 bonus bottles, for $69.99. Not bad. However, I fear I am going to be in the same spot as Greg when the UPS guy has to drop off multiple cases of wine on the same day and get a signature.

Lillian N.

Did your WSJ Wine points post correctly? I have a PayPal offer for $15 off $75 and may do it.

Troy

WSJ Wine posts fine, stacked with a $30 amex offer previously

Spud

HI All, sorry if this is a silly question but how can you double dip on topcashback.com (or similar) with aadvantage e-shopping portal?

Richard

How is Spot & Tango behaving in all of this? I just got the Chase offer on one of my cards, so I’m going to jump on this one, that is if they are not being jerks and clawing back points, or making you jump through hoops to get the points.

Sammy

I placed my Spot and Tango order on Feb 10, received it on Feb 16, and the miles show up as confirmed for me.

Spud

I actually wanted a good dog food so kept the Spot and Tango subscription open for two months. I got 2 x 930 loyalty points posted. Not sure if it is a mistake. I am tempted to try to repeat it again as the simplymiles offer is active til end of March and you only need to buy over $25.

Peter

At the outset of 2022 the “Points Hound” hotel broker on the AA eShopping portal (via Cashback Monitor link) clearly stated earning bigtime AA miles. However, when you transfer to their website and select your FF Program, AA is not an option. That was not the case last year.

Today – it states Points Hound is now RocketMiles (which it may have been all along).

Thinking I can now get AA LPs for the RocketMiles hotel booking itself AND also 5X on the spend (6X with Aviator Red).

Anyone know otherwise? Hoping we’re not being Motley Fooled by AA’s move into hotel bookings for LPs.

amanda

I have some pending reservations I booked through RocketMiles… should know more in about 3 weeks if they’re realized.

Sam

All my Rocketmiles stays have posted. We will see next week if they convert to loyalty points. I see no reason why not. It clearly lists them on AA.com

Peter

Thanks Amanda, Sam.

My question is about PointsHound and if those 5X AA miles will also become LPs (in addition to the RocketMiles miles for the hotel stay).

RocketMiles had a 5k mile bonus on my first booking so those may not be “base” miles which become LPs.

Steve

Never got anything from Pimsleur, except now I get lots of emails from Pimsleur.

Fred

Pimsleur miles registered for me — and a lot of emails.

Alex H

DP on Byte. I just got topcashback to approve the $45 cash back after several weeks of investigating. Hoping Simply Miles will be next!

Al C

1000 points from Pimsleur just got clawed back. Lame.

prpilot17

same here

Ed Folk

I liked the Pimsleur trial as I’m trying to learn some Hindi to communicate easier with my in-laws. I let Pimsleur charge me for the first month after the trial, and I have not seen a clawback on my 1000 points yet.

Michelle

Have you seen the offer for 1000 points for Grove Collaborative? There are a lot offers on the AA Shopping Portal that give you free items. (I chose the Mrs. Myers cleaning products – love them!) It stacks with $15 off $50 from the Am Ex Platinum card or 10% off with BofA. I just ordered a bunch of dish soap, hand soap, etc. I needed anyway and they threw in a bunch of freebies.

doublejade

I used this offer and got all the merchandise already. But the points never showed up under my account!

Holly

I did the Glossybox $21 one month subscription a few days ago and the shopping portal shows the 750 points pending. Terms don’t say anything about having to keep the subscription after the first month.

Nate

Would SimplyMiles offers get triggered if you used a Mastercard gift card run as credit (like those on sale at Staples next week), and registered the card number on the SimplyMiles site?

Andrew

For those who had claw backs, how are you being alerted?

E-Mail, seeing a balance change on AA, or on the shopping portal?

John

When searching through featured deals on eShopping, and sorting by highest earning rate… AT&T shows 6,200 miles specifically for prepaid service. When clicking through the link it shows a $30 5GB sim card option. Think this would work?

JCN

Shall I try in the name of science?

HoKo

@JCN – That’s the spirit!

Dan

Babylist just got clawed back? Anyone else had this issue or a copy of the original terms of the deal?

Brandon

Same here just saw that. Guess thats 3 accounts of babylist gone down the drain.

HoKo

Same for me

Joe Y.

Same for me.

Sonu

i noticed it today. i’m wondering if we can reach out to AA and something can be done

Taylor

Lol why? It’s not like you paid for anything anyway

HoKo

Yeah but IIRC the terms did not require a purchase, so therefore they are not honoring their end of the bargain…it’s not our fault they were lazy/sloppy with their T&C’s

KathyF

As a DP for future similar deals, I did the Babylist offer on 14 January and downloaded the button for adding items from Amazon and elsewhere to a registry. Created a registry with 2 non-baby-related items I needed from Amazon. Purchased them through the registry. Points have not been clawed back.

M Khan

samesies… I don’t know on what basis they can say the terms of the offer weren’t met?

Sexy_kitten7

I agree this is ridiculous. in theory we have a case for a class action. Figure 1k miles are worth 25 bucks. EQM/LP are worth at least that much. So could easily milk them for 50 bucks pp. Just need to find a good lawyer! No pro se class actions sadly. Could also go it alone. Dunno if arb is in play. Mass arb would be fun! I generally ask nicely and then take ’em to the cleaners.

Sexy_kitten7

Mileage terms
Please note these terms & conditions: Reward only eligible on the initial registry sign-up. Not eligible on purchases made with coupon or discount codes that are not found on this site. Not eligible on gift cards, gift certificates or any other similar cash equivalents. Purchases made with a gift card may be ineligible. Not eligible on any free products, trials, services, memberships, subscriptions and retailer marketing subscriptions.

Alex H

General question for those who have had points clawed back. Are they still pending in the AA shopping portal when they get clawed back or are they confirmed?

Also quick DP on JustFoodforDogs. I heard back from AA shopping portal and they are investigating. I will update when I hear something more.

Ed Folk

For me, Bespoke Post was still pending when clawed back, but Babylist was already confirmed and then clawed back.

Richard

Pimsleur Language confirmed. Then clawed back weeks later.

HoKo

How long/when do the citi merchant offers normally take to post?

JCN

A few folks are mentioning the Motley Fool 7,400 point eShopping deal ($79 spend) as well as the 2,325 Simply Miles deal ($99 spend). How can I click through the eShopping portal yet spend $99 to trigger the Simply Miles deal? Both deals take me to a specific checkout page yet I need to click through the portal AND pay the higher price?

jeph36

FWIW, when I click “Subscribe Now” from the AA shopping portal it gives me a $99 price. Maybe try a different browser, incognito, or whatever.

jeph36

I see there is an offer for 60% off. Avoid that one, it only gives you $79 (unless you do not have a $99 offer on Amex or SimplyMiles).

Sammy

Make sure not to click on the “Deal of the week” banner on the AA shopping portal front page. Go to the Motley Fool page and click on the blue “Subscribe now” button to get the $99/year price. Do NOT click on any of the “Shop this offer” buttons because that will give you the $79/year price.

Holly

Caution, the simply miles terms say “Offers may not be stacked or combined with other promotions. Only valid on the $99 Motley Fool Stock Advisor service.”

Beth B

Motley Fool just got more interesting. Simply Miles has a new offer for 2325 points and citi merchants has $50 back on $99. Just FYI.

Beth B

Also, I see that the portal is offer 7400 points now instead of 6200 that is listed above.

Biggie F

Just found a $50 Amex Offer for $99 Motley Fool purchase, also seeing 7400 AA miles back this morning.

Benjamin

Don’t we have to worry about the “anti-stacking” language in Motley Fool’s terms on the AA shopping site? They don’t look different to what FM wrote about last year: https://frequentmiler.com/hugely-profitable-rewarding-the-motley-fool-subscription-with-amex-offer/

Biggie F

It has been a while now, but I still have the miles and Loyalty Points (7400) from this, and the Amex Offer paid out, too.

Sam

Happily booking two rooms for two days & letting my buddy pay me back for their room on a quick upcoming couples weekend. 4th Rocketmiles booking. The other 3 bookings have posted within a few days of checkout. All rooms within $10/$25 of “best rate”, depending on location, day, etc. Certainly close to the “per each” cost of wine & easier than tracking / canceling subscriptions – since I’m going anyway… Not to say my dog isn’t healthier food these days…

Neil

On my AA account (not the shopping portal) under Promotions it is showing 30x per $$ at FTD. That is 10x higher than on portal (20x) so could be interesting if you were in the market for Valentine’s Day flowers anyway.

Andrew

So not stackable?

Greg The Frequent Miler

Interesting. Both in my AA account and in the portal I see 20x, but when I click through I see 25x. What do you see if you click through from 30x?

Neil

Under the Promotions on both the AA app and the website I have this offer:

Give from the heart with FTD
Earn 30 bonus miles per $1 spent on stunning Valentine’s bouquets and gifts

When I click on the link it shows 30x in the banner:

Welcome AAdvantage® Members – Earn 30 Miles per $1 spent

When I went through the portal is states 20x but shows 25 in the banner as well

Jack

Does anybody know if purchase made with gift cards (not purchases of gift cards) count on the shopping portal? I have a bunch of points in one rewards program that can be converted to an Apple gift card, and I’m thinking of redeeming that, then clicking through to Apple on the AA shopping portal and making a purchase using the gift card funds.

Would this qualify for AA points, or do the purchases have to be made in cash to qualify?

Andrew

I spent 2k at Home Depot using gift cards as a form of payment and they tracked through the AAdvantage Shopping Portal.

Sam

The vendors don’t care how they get the payments. AA doesn’t care as long as the vendor pays them for the miles. Just follow the t&C’s. It will typically exclude the purchase of gift cards. They don’t care if they’re purchased elsewhere.

Patrick

Cancel

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Tonya

Note that the Swagbucks and Mypoints offers for Sunbasket require you to accept 2 shipments. AA Shopping tends to post with just one. That 2nd shipment will eat heavily into your profits on the $75. It made AA more appealing to me.

Al C

Tried Bespoke (before it dropped down to 500). I cancelled the initial shipment, so I didn’t purchase anything. Initially 1200 points posted but they just got clawed back. Lame since the terms just require signing up.

Ash

When you book on AA hotels (bookaahotels.com), some hotels show up with earnings of 1,000 – 10,000 AA miles. Are those basically going to be 1,000 – 10,000 loyalty points? Or will the loyalty points basically be the amount of money you spent on the hotel booking on their site?

Dave

I can report on this shortly, just did a trip where I booked hotels (1) standard, (2) with the “extra points” room rate, and (3) clicked the button to add miles at the end. They’ll definitely be credited as award miles, once AA starts displaying loyalty points earned — March 1? — we’ll see what shows up!

Nathan

On the Bespoke Post deal, I set up the subscription and actually did order my first box (I needed the bar set anyway). But I’m still seeing that my points are being clawed back! I have sent an inquiry. I did stack with the AMEX $15 off $50 but as others have commented, that shouldn’t have an impact and in my reading is within the terms. Will report back.

Kevin

I now have a -1200 posted for Bespoke Post. Anyone else see points appear and then be removed?

Troy

To avoid clawbacks I plan to keep a lot of these things a couple months, since you can keep skipping delivery for free.

Sascha

Same thing happened to me. I skipped the first box but didn’t cancel my subscription. Still got my points removed

Greg The Frequent Miler

My points are still there. I signed up on Jan 23. For those who’s points were removed, how much time went by between signing up and having the points withdrawn?

Rob H
  • 1/24 Signed
  • 1/25 received notice first box would ship 2/1, pushed out date
  • 1/25 1,200 miles posted in AA account with 1/24 date
  • 1/28 -1,200 miles posted in AA account with 1/27 date
vstanley

Same here. See the clawback this morning.

EdB

Identical circumstance here also.

Joe C

Same thing happened to me this morning. Just checked and the -1200 points were gone. Chose to skip the first box.

garettg

Another DP here, of a -1200 for skipping first box.

Big Chungus

Additional DP of this happening to me. ‘Bought’ 1/26, posted 1/27, clawed back this morning.

Big Chungus

Regardless really appreciate you and Greg’s coverage of this! Already Gold and on the way to Plat at minimal spend I wouldn’t have done.

Daniel Berning

Nick, another DP. I signed up. Saw the points post in a day or two. I didn’t skip the first box as it shipped the day my points posted and the next day, the points were clawed back. -1200 AA points. I intend to email them today as my first box should be here shortly. Not sure why the points would be clawed back since I didn’t skip the first box?

Edgewater Folk

I didn’t skip the first box – just changed it from the box they predetermined for me to one of the other options for January – and likewise saw that the points were clawed back this morning. I was actually interested in keeping the box I selected, but I’ll probably return it once I receive it due to their bad faith.

Divyesh

Seems like this has been confirmed by others, but adding DP as well for the record. Signed up on 1/24, and skipped the first box. Had the 1200 points pending on AA Shopping, with the -1200 pending on 1/27.

Alex H

I skipped the first box and my points are still there (fingers crossed). The only difference I can see is I signed up a week before it seems many others did. Not sure why that would matter. Maybe it just means I am later in the queue of a clawback!

John

If you’re in California you can request a CCPA deletion of personal information too

Tungyu

I guess this worked earlier (possibly before 1/20?) as I also skipped the first box and my points are still in my account

Big Chungus

Anybody have a DP on whether Motley Fool works if you’ve done it before? I went through AA portal Dec 2020 to top off a redemption.

[…] How to earn American Airlines Loyalty Points without flying […]

Hombre

Just got a Paypal email for WSJwine. Save $15.00 at WSJwine.com

To get this discount, pay with PayPal by Tuesday, February 1 2022 at 3PM

This takes the $70 bottle of 12 wines down to $55. Also get 3000 points on AA portal.

Sexy_kitten7

Thx for heads up. Turns out I’m in a naughty state. Only get 12 bottles and have to pay $20 for shipping! Hard pass.

practicemage

For what it’s worth, I spoke with someone at Citi today regarding the Citi Merchant Offer for Byte, and after about 15 minutes of being on hold they came back and said that the offer for $100 back would be applied when on 1/31 or 2/1, after the offer expired. I pushed back that this wasn’t how other offers worked, and they didn’t have any answer why this would be the case for this offer, but they seemed very confident it would be appropriate applied.

I suspect that’s not true and I’ll discover on February 2nd that I still have no merchant offer for Byte, but we’ll see.

Marty Stiles

I also haven’t had the citi offer post, so I responded to one of the many emails from byte and told them that I was charged $100 instead of the $14.95, they pushed through a refund of the difference

Justin

So everyone that manufactures spend by signing up for bonuses for and buying gift cards will now have status faster each year than someone like me who flies 90-100 segments. Thanks AA.

Mike

I recently registered my MC on SimplyMiles for the first time, and it is only showing me miles/$ offers. Is there any trick to get the existing lump sum offers to be visible or to refresh, or will I only be getting new offer releases?

Troy

Give it a few days to populate more offers. Offers will also vary by account, so best to sign up multiple players as well.

Troy

Looking good Nick, one more to add:
Clear (airport security) 350 posted to my AAdvantage account, and was fully reimbursed by Amex Platinum & Business Platinum. Still waiting on the free $100 United TravelBank/TravelCash to post along with everyone else who’s completed that deal.
I will note that even though a second order tracked properly with an order number and amount, it did not post an additional 350 mile bonus to my AA shopping account. The first transaction did count toward the (now expired) spending bonus offer, so that was nice.
Also just for DP’s sake, the first one that did properly credit was an individual, whereas the second one that didn’t credit was an individual plus another family member ($109 + $60). Both orders show as just $109, and again, the 2nd didn’t credit to AA.

Troy

I mentioned this in a prior deal post, but to get this to credit I clicked thru the AA portal link, then clicked on the signup button. After that loaded I copied/pasted the url of the United $100 TravelCash deal and proceeded to sign up.

A B

On JFF Dogs, can confirm- no points so far, although my order was paid for and delivered 2 weeks ago.

On Naked Wines: WATCH OUT– the fine print says offer ineligible in lots of states – Texas, Ohio, Michigan, among others.

On Thrive: yes you only get the points on the $60 sign up fee (so, 1200 LPs at current rates) but it’s still not a bad deal. I got 40% off first order, up to $30, which makes the sign up close to free depending on how you value LPs. After that all you get is a really nice selection of natural and organic food much cheaper than at Whole Foods — and no delivery fee or tip. They run lots of specials and I have card-linked offers on Amex and Chase. I’ll probably renew next year even without the bonus.

Daniel Berning

Seriously! Best travel blog out there!

Does anyone else get annoyed by how slow the shopping portal takes to show or record a purchase?

Purchased $302 with of items at Overstock through the AA shopping portal on 1/20. That was the last day for the portal bonus of spend $300 get 1k bonus. The charge has already posted to my card but when I look at Recent Store Visits, it shows Overstock with no order details or spend details. Is it normal for things to take awhile to post or is this a sign that my purchase didn’t register?

Jake

Last month at my company xmas party, I got 2 AA Business round trip tickets to anywhere in continental US, Canada and Mexico. My wife and I usually don’t travel without the Kids ( 2 kids – 9 and 11). I was given the option to get 4 economy class tickets instead. what would you guys do?

M.A.

It looks to me like you have 3 options:

1) Ditch the kids and have an adult vacation

2) Fly everyone for free in economy class

3) Buy two economy tickets to your destination and take turns sitting in business class. E.g. you and Kid 1 fly business there, wife and Kid 2 fly business back.

Options 1 and 2 are free, but Option 3 might be fun for the kids if you don’t mind spending some money or points on the 2 economy tickets. Ultimately it’s up to you.

BonvoyedAgain

Depends on where you live. Business class tickets would only be worth it nowadays (see next sentence) if doing in a 3-class plane of over 4 hours (i.e. transcons). You aren’t getting hot food and only a couple of drinks in Biz/First domestic anyway, so likely the 4 economy tickets are better option so you don’t have to pay anything out of pocket.

Anita

Great resource! Will do the Blooom. I’ve done some of the others already.

If anyone has a magic way to get through to Simply Miles customer service that would be a great addition to the post.

Tim Grable

When you are offered a paid upgrade in the AA app, do you qualify for any “Cabin bonus”? I know with Delta this can be a great way to pick up extra MQMs

Larry K

Before loyalty points at least upsells on AA only got the original mileage based on the original fare purchased. Not sure if loyalty points changes it.

Larry K

You guys are the best. Seriously. Other blogs compete for second place.

Jeff

Stacked the naked wines 3k AA with a $40 off $80 Amex offer. 9 bottles of wine for $48 on top of the points works for me!

Larry K

So far! It also looked like it worked for me for nearly two weeks until I saw the clawback.

Joe Y

Same here 🙁

Robert

DP and question on missing miles from orders that didn’t track. Last December I submitted a request for missing miles from a shopping portal purchase (from Saks, not that I think that makes much of a difference) and while the miles posted to my AA account relatively quickly once I submitted the CS request, they posted as Bonus miles, not Base miles. While that purchase is ultimately irrelevant for LP purposes since it was made last year, I’m curious if this has happened to anyone else and if it’s something we’ll need to watch out for and/or be proactive about. (It showed up in my AA account titled “ASM CUSTOMER SERVICE BONUS” FWIW.)

Personally, I’m going to wait until March to submit any missing miles requests from the shopping portal (fortunately, I don’t need to yet anyway) since when AA converts to LP, I don’t think they’ll give us an ‘itemized list’ of our LP earnings (I think they’ll just deposit a single ‘transaction’ of LP, similar to how they did the 4th quarter EQD/EQM/EQS rollover last year) and I don’t want to have to figure out what’s there and what’s missing.

Brooks

This is a great resource. Thanks for putting it together. Bookmarked!

Robert

Agreed, thanks!

M.A.

Verizon has showed up again on Eshopping, however, there’s no longer a bonus category for prepaid lines.

Josh

There’s a $15 off $50 bespoke post offer that expires in 11 days for those interested in that offer.

A B

Bespoke just clawed back my 1200 points. I was actually going to try them with that $15 off $50 Amex offer, but I guess it’s time to cancel.

Mai

Thank you for this! Byte may be worth it for some for just the impression kit I believe it was 14.95

Josh

so 2500 points for $14.95 thru the portal?

Mai

Yes it shows up for me under recent transactions but still as pending also didn’t track the $$ I spent only the points

Greg The Frequent Miler

Great suggestion. Once some people report the AA portal paying out, we should move that to the useful deals (but with the warning that the card linked offers are unlikely to work)

Alex H

I can confirm that the AA shopping portal paid out on the 14.95 kit. I had placed a separate order for the simply miles one and of course ran into issues with that one like everyone else

Neil

$14.95 for the impression kit purchased through AA portal netted 2500 points and those are showing as confirmed and have been added to my AA account.
I never messed with the SM.

Robert

Can confirm I got the 2,500 miles from the shopping portal for Byte but haven’t gotten anything from SM yet (I took the code off so the total price was >$100). But I agree the 2,500 miles for $15 isn’t bad (and seems to be working).

TravelfitForAKing

Can anyone confirm if I have to cancel with Byte after signing up for the Impression kit offer? I’m trying to avoid getting billed after making this purchase. I honestly just want the 2,500 points for $16 bucks. Thanks in advance for your help on this. 

HoKo

When doing the impression kit for $14.95 did anyone else notice this language from the checkout page: “Offer only valid with aligner treatment plan purchase”

I interpret that to mean you only get the promotional $14.95 pricing if you actually purchase one of their expensive 4-figure treatment plans.

On the other hand, I don’t see how they could enforce this, perhaps they could retroactively bill your card for the full $95.00 price if you don’t purchase a treatment plan within a certain number of days? Lol, I can only imagine the uproar if they try to do that.

Might be a good use-case for a Citi VAN.

TravelfitForAKing

I saw that too. I’m trying to avoid getting billed after making this purchase. I honestly just want the 2,500 points for $16 bucks.

Richard

Same here. Just wanted the impression kit for the 2500 points. Now I’m being badgered by my Byte rep to hurry up and make my impression and mail it back to them. I’m sure they have been deluged with impression kit purchases and are now aware of the AA crowd out there that are only buying them for AA points and have no intention of following through with their service. I may just cut the rope with them and walk away from this deal. Does anyone have any suggestion about how to handle this hardball tactic from Byte?

JoshF

I just replied to the rep that had been emailing me and told them I changed my mind and wasn’t going to do the impression kit as I felt the service was too expensive. I haven’t been contacted since.

Richard

Did they claw back your points?

JoshF

Sure did. I emailed Aadvantageshopping and they responded that I must have violated one of the terms, one of which is “ If you used promotional coupons or discounts that were not listed on the shopping site when making a purchase, the merchant could reverse an incorrectly issued reward once they audit the purchases.” I don’t even think I’m going to fight it, as I pasted the Amex link in to get both deals. Clearly that’s the issue here.

HoKo

Or maybe they clawed it back once you told them you weren’t going to be sending back the impression kit

JoshF

I’m an idiot. I was actually responding to the Naked Wines offer in my reply immediately above. Naked clawed back points. Byte did not.

HoKo

Ah I see, ok that’s a good clarification